SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    House Democrats Backing Off From Threats To Use Newfound Power To Push Investigations
Go
New
Find
Notify
Tools
Reply
  
House Democrats Backing Off From Threats To Use Newfound Power To Push Investigations Login/Join 
Gracie Allen is my
personal savior!
posted
Well, they'll use their two years to try to raise hell - about stuff that may or may not get past the Senate and the White House, or may just fly right past the voters in 2020.

BTW, the headline says "Trump", but it looks like there are several would-be investigations they're backing away from.

quote:
Senior House Democrats Tap Brakes On Investigating Trump
Ginger Gibson, Mark Hosenball, Reuters, 11/26/2018

After capturing the U.S. House of Representatives with a campaign that spoke of holding President Donald Trump accountable, some powerful House Democrats are now urging restraint and a focus on policy, at least at the outset.

An aggressive examination of the president is still needed, senior lawmakers and aides told Reuters. But Democratic leaders are trying to chart a measured path forward from early January when they will take over the House from Trump's Republicans. That path will seek to avoid igniting political battles, for now, over matters such as Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, as well as possible collusion between Moscow and the Trump campaign and obstruction of justice.

Many Democrats want to probe these volatile topics, using subpoenas to get at documents and testimony they say Republicans have ignored for two years, lawmakers and aides said. But the investigative hard-chargers do not appear to be prevailing in shaping the Democrats' early 2019 agenda. That is because other Democrats - including key committee leaders - want to focus on immigration, rising student loan debt, high-cost prescription drugs and the federal response to hurricane disasters, especially in Puerto Rico.

The Democrats' agenda will solidify in six to eight weeks. When it does, it will greatly shape the relationship for the next two years between Capitol Hill and Trump, who has not yet dealt with a chamber of Congress under opposition control. Voters handed a House majority to Democrats in the Nov. 6 elections. With that comes more resources for investigations, but some members of key committees said they are concerned that rushing to wield that power could turn off voters.

Representative Jerrold Nadler, likely chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, is discouraging talk of an immediate push to impeach Trump. Other Democrats are doing the same. At the House Intelligence Committee, members are debating whether to reopen the panel's 2016 Russian election-meddling probe, said sources who requested anonymity.

Representative Adam Schiff, on track to become the panel's chairman, is leading a faction that wants to hold off on reopening the Russian inquiry, said sources. At the same time, Schiff is talking publicly about investigating Trump's ties to Russia, which has denied interfering in the 2016 election to favor Trump. Democrat Joaquin Castro, and Intelligence Committee member, favors committees starting the 2019-2020 Congress with hearings on issues such as the separation of immigrant children from their parents. But he told Reuters that Republicans have "turned a blind eye to key leads in the investigation into Russia's interference in our 2016 election...In the next Congress we will be sure to revisit all those leads, while at the same time actively examining whether Russians were money laundering through the Trump Organization, gaining leverage over the president."

Republicans have already begun criticizing Democrats, even before their first investigation is launched, embracing the term "presidential harassment" that Trump likes to use. At the same time, Republicans reopened 2016's wounds on Friday when the House Judiciary Committee said Republican Bob Goodlatte, with only weeks to go as committee chairman, issued subpoenas for former FBI Director James Comey and former Attorney General Loretta Lynch to give depositions in a probe of their handling of an inquiry into Hillary Clinton's emails. A committee statement said Comey would be deposed on Dec. 3 and Lynch on Dec. 4 about the long-festering email issue involving Clinton, the Democrat defeated by Trump in 2016.

Before the current lame-duck Congress ends in mid-December, House Democrats will choose a party leader for 2019-2020, with their current leader Nancy Pelosi the front-runner. The leader and committee chairs have a "vision" for the investigative agenda, but details are still being discussed, a senior aide said. The wide-ranging House Oversight Committee is likely to be chaired by Representative Elija Cummings. He has called for an examination of high prescription drug costs a top priority.

Still, Cummings told Reuters the panel has asked for information on the reported use by Ivanka Trump, who serves as a senior aide to her father, of personal email to contact other administration officials, a possible records preservation law violation. The White House has ignored the request, Cummings said. "We need those documents to ensure that Ivanka Trump Jared Kushner, and other officials are complying with federal records laws," he said. Democrat committee member Carolyn Maloney said she was pushing Cummings to probe the administration's decision to add a question about citizenship to the U.S. Census. Matt Cartwright, another Oversight Democrat, said, "I'm against weaponizing the committee, however, I don't want to defang the committee by the same token...Our committee should be more than a political loudspeaker."

Some sentences compressed into paragraphs for space. Original text at http://www.yahoo.com/news/seni...trump-110558337.html

And you thought the Congressional Republicans were chicken. The House Democrats are so chicken that they're refusing their diehards the red meat they were promised in the last elections - and concentrating instead on what is essentially news so old that it'll bore the voters silly instead.

Personally, I'd love to see the House Committee reopen the probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 elections. Why? Because then we'd have the House Democrats screaming at Mueller to get off the dime and present his findings too instead of dragging his investigation on and one and on!
 
Posts: 27293 | Location: Deep in the heart of the brush country, and closing on that #&*%!?! roadrunner. Really. | Registered: February 05, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Ammoholic
Picture of Skins2881
posted Hide Post
Well the Muller investigation is coming to an end, they may have got word about it's contents.




Jesse

Sic Semper Tyrannis
 
Posts: 20836 | Location: Loudoun County, Virginia | Registered: December 27, 2014Reply With QuoteReport This Post
Muzzle flash
aficionado
Picture of flashguy
posted Hide Post
quote:
Cummings said: "We need those documents to ensure that Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner, and other officials are complying with federal records laws,"
They didn't seem nearly as concerned with Hillary Clinton's brash ignoring of those laws when she deleted 30,000 e-mails.

flashguy




Texan by choice, not accident of birth
 
Posts: 27902 | Location: Dallas, TX | Registered: May 08, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
My other Sig
is a Steyr.
Picture of .38supersig
posted Hide Post
quote:
Senior House Democrats Tap Brakes On Investigating Trump
Ginger Gibson, Mark Hosenball, Reuters, 11/26/2018

...Democrats - including key committee leaders - want to focus on:

  • Immigration. <--- Obama deported so many, he became known as the Deporter-in-Chief.
  • Rising student loan debt. <--- The federal government took over the student loan program during O's watch.
  • High-cost prescription drugs. <--- Thinking there was a federal health insurance act passed that was supposed to make all of this 'free'?
  • Trump's ties to Russia. <--- 'Tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after I get reelected.' Remembered somebody saying this. Hmmm.
  • E-mail issue involving Ivanka / Hillary. <--- E-mails ≠ server. Damn! This one is not hard to figure out.


  • Maybe they should impeach themselves and leave us the hell alone?




     
    Posts: 9166 | Location: Somewhere looking for ammo that nobody has at a place I haven't been to for a pistol I couldn't live without... | Registered: December 02, 2014Reply With QuoteReport This Post
    Member
    Picture of TigerDore
    posted Hide Post
    They are probably trying to broker a truce to save Obama, Holder, Comey, Mueller, Hitlery, Brennan, Rosenstein, etc, etc.

    I hope that Trump and Whitaker tell them to pound sand and come after those fascist, commie bastards with both barrels.



    .
     
    Posts: 8628 | Registered: September 26, 2013Reply With QuoteReport This Post
    Gracie Allen is my
    personal savior!
    posted Hide Post
    Well, with the latest news about Manafort claiming Mueller is trying to make Manafort testify to something that isn't true in return for honoring Manafort's plea deal, there's at least some possibility that the Dems are losing their left jab on that front long before they can throw a right cross.

    There's another possibility as well. If you listen to the Dems on the talking head shows, every now and then you'll hear one of them wailing about the fact that Trump's name is the one that's always in the news. Even when the MSM tries to claim Trump's on the ropes, all of the stories are about Trump. When rank and file donkeys want to see some kind of progress on the grand liberal agenda, Trump stories are sucking up all of the attention on the media and Dem politicians are left looking as though they have nothing to talk about except Trump even though nothing substantive has come up yet that could lead to Trump's being politically crippled or taken out.

    This could be seen as a way to redeploy themselves in a way that might conceivably give the Dem majority in the House some chance at seizing the political initiative. And without taking the political initiative, there's really no way for the Dems to take advantage of having control of no more than one half of one branch of government.
     
    Posts: 27293 | Location: Deep in the heart of the brush country, and closing on that #&*%!?! roadrunner. Really. | Registered: February 05, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
    Frangas non Flectes
    Picture of P220 Smudge
    posted Hide Post
    Three interesting things on NPR this morning:

    1) They want to subpoena for all tax records of everything to do with Trump's businesses, especially the Trump hotels. They want to talk to people who have done business with or have records of doing business with the hotels to see what kind of foreign influences have been in and out of there.

    2) They made a big point of saying that every other modern president who has "lost big in the midterms" has come around to being more moderate and trying to work with the other side to get legislation passed. They crowed in particular about Obama and Clinton, of course. Then turned around and slammed Trump for going even harder to the right to try to drum up his base, but admitted that illegals trying to rush the fence at San Ysidro looks bad for them and good for Trump, who has called it an invasion and wants the wall. They admitted that if illegals continue to try to rush the fence that it may end up garnering support for a wall. DUH!

    3) Whoever is going to run against Trump in 2020 is going to have to come up with something better than, and I quote "Trump is bad! He hates immigrants!" The talking head suggested that dems will have to come up with their own immigration plan to pitch instead of just "resisting."

    They're still banging the "resist" drum while they're saying they need to do better than just bang the "resist" drum. So maybe while in other parts of the country, they're trying to look like they're backing off with their threats of newfound power, but here in a lefty stronghold, they're still saying they're going to go after him.


    ______________________________________________
    Carthago delenda est
     
    Posts: 17189 | Location: Sonoran Desert | Registered: February 10, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
    A Grateful American
    Picture of sigmonkey
    posted Hide Post




    "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב!
     
    Posts: 43912 | Location: ...... I am thrice divorced, and I live in a van DOWN BY THE RIVER!!! (in Arkansas) | Registered: December 20, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
    Thank you
    Very little
    Picture of HRK
    posted Hide Post
     
    Posts: 23525 | Location: Florida | Registered: November 07, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
    Gracie Allen is my
    personal savior!
    posted Hide Post
    quote:
    Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
    They're still banging the "resist" drum while they're saying they need to do better than just bang the "resist" drum. So maybe while in other parts of the country, they're trying to look like they're backing off with their threats of newfound power, but here in a lefty stronghold, they're still saying they're going to go after him.

    Pelosi's been openly and avowedly resistant to any efforts to resist Trump since last year, and was cool to efforts to push that as a viable strategy back in 2016. That makes a fair amount of sense if you look at the results, and electoral fallout, of Congressional Republican efforts to impeach Clinton and hamstring Obama.

    I think what you're seeing is an effort to feed red meat to that portion of the donkey faithful that will write letters, come out into the street and protest, and put together the small donation drives that gave 'Bater O'Rourke a $70 million war chest. The Dems in DC don't want to give up those resources, they just don't want to give anything more than lip service for them. At the same time, the Dems in DC are already facing an uprising that dates back to the Bernie Sanders campaign and is now playing out in efforts within the Dems to drive the Dem party to the left - if Pelosi et al. don't feed something to the rabid donkeys, then the rabid donkeys may actively turn on them.

    As for the nothinburger, well, yeah - all they've got is a fifteen-seat majority in the House of Representatives. I keep thinking that the only thing you can really do with the House is take the initiative on taxes and spending, but do the Dems really want to try to raise taxes at this juncture?
     
    Posts: 27293 | Location: Deep in the heart of the brush country, and closing on that #&*%!?! roadrunner. Really. | Registered: February 05, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
    Muzzle flash
    aficionado
    Picture of flashguy
    posted Hide Post
    quote:
    do the Dems really want to try to raise taxes at this juncture?
    I think they want to but I don't think they will actually do it.

    flashguy




    Texan by choice, not accident of birth
     
    Posts: 27902 | Location: Dallas, TX | Registered: May 08, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
    Wait, what?
    Picture of gearhounds
    posted Hide Post
    Basically, it sounds like the left needed to work their base into a frenzy for the midterms, but knew they had exactly jack shit to go after Trump.

    I hope Trump pushes hard now. All of the turds need to be brought to light and flushed.




    “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown
     
    Posts: 15611 | Location: Martinsburg WV | Registered: April 02, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
      Powered by Social Strata  
     

    SIGforum.com    Main Page  Hop To Forum Categories  The Lounge    House Democrats Backing Off From Threats To Use Newfound Power To Push Investigations

    © SIGforum 2024