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Originally posted by bendable:
There is no doubt in my mind that there are politicians that use the phrase intentionally to promote their anti gun agenda's .

And
We all know that the media loves controversy and drama,
So their use is very understandable.

But L.E.O.'s
In particular must know that feeding false information to the people they are hired to protect won't end well.

Treating the people will tax the current health care system like never before.

The government will suffer because the rise in taxes will be huge.

So taking guns is their "simple" answer.

But the L.E.O.'s need to recognize what's this phrase is doing.

Are you just being obtuse?

Many people have explained this to you. And you continue to say the same thing over and over.

Not as offensive but every bit as concerning is,

These children using the stupid ass phrase.
They take the day off of school to "protest" / whine about G/V.

They are just silly kids that are repeating what adults are saying.

The adults are teaching them that Americans ,in order to survive MUST
Be taken care of by the government, total dependency upon those in office.

That's the scary ass part, and in order to be cared for you must to get rid of guns.
"And all the danger will be gone"

Gun violence vs violence using a gun. One presumes the gun has caused the violence, the other presumes a person caused the violence and happened to use a gun. The root cause of our mass shooting problems is the unstable person committing the act of violence.

When a person drives drunk and accidentally kills someone with their car, do we blame the car, the alcohol, or the person driving drunk?

The rhetoric that is used to push the blame onto an object that can not participate in violence with out an operator is conditioning people. We as a society have drifted away from personal responsibility and find excuses for our shortcomings. We our allowing “crazy” to be normalized, while we watch social media isolate a huge portion of our population. We have a pervasive epidemic of narcissism in our society.

Do we hear of 'car violence' or 'knife violence' or 'rope violence'?

There's more to the use of the term 'gun violence' than trying to be specific about the item used by the miscreant.

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Originally posted by 12131:
Yup, it's that simple. If you're trying to turn this into an English lesson, you're missing it by a mile, James.

I totally understand his point, had a conversation with a coworker at the height of the George Floyd matter, he wanted to talk about white cops abusing black men. But when asked about black men abusing black men he told me “black on black crime is just crime” and to use black in front of it made it seem negative. No, if there can’t be black on black crime there can’t be white on black crime. We can pick and choose based off ignorance of interpretation.

If I say, “he committed a violent crime suing a gun”, that is the exact same thing as gun violence, excites the exact same feeling amongst those that wanna see the gun as a problem, but I’m not leaving out facts (hypothetical here) for the sake of ignorant people.

I feel like it’s catering to the ignorant.

Instead, let’s add words, “mentally ill gun violence on the rise”, “gang member/cartel use of gun violence”, whatever the case may be.

Yes. gun violence is a loaded phrase and somewhere a leftist smiles every time that phrase is used. In fact, reasonable adults should probably quit using those words together.

The terms 'gun violence" or "gun crime" comes out of the mouths of Chiefs and DA's, not street cops. You may here from PIO's, but they're the talking heads. Political correctness in it's finest sense.

I have a problem with that term ... period.
Along with the terms "illegal guns ~ off the streets", "gunshow loophole", "assault weapons" just start .

The left has to name something they don't like so their sheep can parrot the party line and scream for whatever it is today to be banned.

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Originally posted by JR78:
The terms 'gun violence" or "gun crime" comes out of the mouths of Chiefs and DA's, not street cops. You may here from PIO's, but they're the talking heads. Political correctness in it's finest sense.

I did not hear about their positions.
All four that I saw on the news had police uniforms on.

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Originally posted by Lt CHEG:
It is a misguided idea that criminal activity can be disrupted by focusing on one type of instrument used in a crime. The problem is that it presupposes that crime can be prevented merely by intercepting one type of widely available and constitutionally protected tool.

Nicely stated, sir. I'll be borrowing that.

I liked the comment about "car violence' and will use that in my next discussion...

It is not that usual for someone when driving to accidentally (old feeble minded guys like me) or on purpose (crazy nut job or terrorist) to push down hard on the accelerator instead of the brake peddle and cause harm to others....

but while I'm on my stump... here is what I've realized how people think...
in my job for the last 40+ years I've gone up on roofs multiple times during the day, I'm a chimney sweep. 3 years ago I got in a hurry and did not take care and fell off a roof and damaged myself to where I could not work for a month, it could have been a lot worse. Now my friends are constantly telling me I should not be going on roofs... and I try to explain to them that is like them after 40 years of driving having a car accident and then me telling them they should not drive anymore.

oh, edit: I hardly ever post on 'farsebook' but I had to post the link to the AR-15 trial... we'll see how long that stays up.

There's the literal or proper meaning of a phrase, and then there's the commonly understood meaning. The population's been trained by propagandists on the left to understand "gun violence" in the context of insufficient laws to control guns.

In the UK they've limited guns sufficiently that thugs now widely use knives, and they constantly hear about "knife crime" on the news.

It's all about defining the narrative to steer public perception. People are primed to react to the phrase "gun violence", which helps the progressive agenda. When SUVs were the target, we heard about SUV accidents, SUVs running over school children, SUVs losing control and rolling over.

I agree with Bendable.

"Gun violence" as a matter of grammar doesn't mean that the gun caused or committed the violence, but it is certainly used by those with an agenda to mean that. And further, the average moron will conflate the idea of "gun" and "violence" and come to what is probably an unconscious conclusion that the gun is responsible, and that means in their minds that guns should be restricted in more ways.

"Now my friends are constantly telling me I should not be going on roofs... and I try to explain to them that is like them after 40 years of driving having a car accident and then me telling them they should not drive anymore."
By blume9mm

Here's the thing,
You can sit down and calculate your probability of having a car wreck to within a 60 %
Rate

But that damn gravity ,
You can cipher that out way, way closer to 100% probability.

But I understand what you are getting at.

The person behind the weapon is the one causing the violence. The firearm is a tool. The media has the same issue with undocumented or migrants, instead of calling them ILLEGALS. All this horseshit is intentional. Its's beyond old that they do this. None of them are legitimate journalists anymore.

Speaking of 'journalist'. I emailed two a months ago about something she printed in a front page article of my citie's paper, The Greenville News,... In an article about the S.C. Legislature debating constitutional carry in the first sentence she wrote:

"Just after a mass shooting in Michigan, lawmakers advanced a National Rifle Association-backed bill that would make South Carolina the 26th state to allow gun OWNERSHIP (I added the caps) with out a permit."

I just sent her and her editors a follow up email asking if they ever retracted that. I never did get a response to my first email.

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Originally posted by jljones:
And generally the ones in front of the microphone is a politician. Some is great care in the words they use. Others are political hacks that say whatever string the handler pulls.

Look at the difference between Nashvilles press conference a few weeks ago and the one in Louisville today. Nashville was straight forward, laid out the facts. The one today was filled with lots of “allegedly” “gun violence” and my personal favorite “officers responded to an alleged act of active aggression. The alleged aggressor was neutralized”

I'm just as frustrated with those who use the word "WEAPON", describe all firearms. Can a firearm be used as a weapon? Of course! But since these are tools, they can also be used as a sporting implement (like balls, bats, hockey pucks, etc...). Seeing firearms owners, members of the media, medical "professionals", etc..., referring to all guns possessed for any purposes as, "weapons" is particularly aggravating.

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Originally posted by joel9507:
Do we hear of 'car violence' or 'knife violence' or 'rope violence'?

There's more to the use of the term 'gun violence' than trying to be specific about the item used by the miscreant.

I always ask people using the 'gun violence' term if they realize that 'fork obesity' kills far more people.

Pulicords,

I would also add those who claim that guns were designed for and the only use/purpose for guns is to kill people.