Not sure if this has already been discussed, but it seems promising,



Joe Tippens, of Oklahoma was diagnosed with late-stage small cell lung cancer in 2016.
By January 2017, it had spread throughout his body.
Joe's life expectancy was three months, but doctors enrolled him in a clinical trial that they hoped could give him up to a year longer.
A veterinarian suggested he try the dog de-worming drug, fenbendazole, which has shown cancer-fighting properties in cell studies.
By May 2017, all cancer had disappeared from Joe's scans.
Now, two years later, he is still cancer free and Oklahoma medical researchers plan to look into Joe's case.
WARNING: There have been no trials of fenbendazole for treating cancer, there may be risks involved and the medication is not recommended by doctors.

Let's see. The man has 3 months to live. This drug is proven effective but doctors do not recommend it. It may have dangerous side effects? Dying from cancer may be a worse side effect. How would they be able to charge half a million dollars for Chemo and Radiation treatments?
So after taking the dog drug he had a PET scan?...or did he also get Lab report...?

The bad news is, It may now cost $700+ to deworm your pets.

Wouldn’t that be great?

When something seems too good to be true...

It's much more likely that the cancer was misdiagnosed or that someone is lying (it occasionally happens, ya know).

Anyway this 'clinical trial' consisted of a sample size of one, no control group, and no blinding. It's not for nothing that medical researchers spend years and millions of dollars to determine if a drug is safe and effective.

The odds of this being true are less than the odds of me getting a blowjob from Angelina Jolie before midnight tonight.

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Originally posted by Jim Shugart:
When something seems too good to be true...

True. It nearly always pays to look into claims before accepting them outright. Or before summarily dismissing them, for that matter

^ ^ ^ ^

I'll take my chances. If I'm wrong, I'll kiss your ass Saturday at noon on the steps of the courthouse and give you three days to draw a crowd.

Things like this are seldom as simple as face value might suggest. While fenbendazole has been used to kill cancer cells in a petri dish, there's a huge gulf between that and in vitro testing actually doing a repeatable, predictable job on neoplasia.

Levamisole used to be used clinically in people for colorectal carcinoma, but is no longer in use because there were better more reliable options. And levamisole wasn't used by itself, it was used as a 5-FU potentiator.....

If it proves true, I've got a butt ton of the stuff, so Imma be like Dave Chapelle (I'm rich, biatch!!).

One of the major advances of the last century was getting drug therapy established on a firm scientific foundation. Unfortunately, it turned out that clinical trials to show the safely and efficacy of drugs is a very long and horribly expensive process (typically many years and hundreds of millions of dollars). Don't expect any shortcuts. Sure off-the-wall discoveries do pop up...shit!...just realized it after midnight and no Angelina.

I certainly hope that fenbendazole is a cure for lung cancer (he says, while puffing on his pipe).

So cancer must be pretty rare in dogs that take this common drug for worms then. You would think somebody wold have noticed that if it really works as this person claims or had noticed dogs with cancer suddenly be cured of cancer after taking this drug for worms.

We can thank President Trump for this:

Right to Try


The Right to Try Act, or the Trickett Wendler, Frank Mongiello, Jordan McLinn, and Matthew Bellina Right to Try Act, was signed into law May 30, 2018. This law is another way for patients who have been diagnosed with life-threatening diseases or conditions who have tried all approved treatment options and who are unable to participate in a clinical trial to access certain unapproved treatments.

Clinical trials provide information about whether a product is safe to use and can effectively treat or prevent a disease. People may have many reasons for participating in clinical trials. In addition to contributing to medical knowledge, some people participate in clinical trials because there is no treatment for their disease, treatments they tried have not worked, or they are not able to tolerate the current treatments.

For patients with serious or immediately life-threatening diseases, the FDA is committed to facilitating access to investigational medicines while protecting patients and making sure that they are able to make informed decisions. Therefore, for more than three decades, FDA has facilitated such access as a part of FDA’s Expanded Access program.

Building on our long-standing efforts to help patients and families who are facing life-threatening diseases or conditions, the FDA is providing information for patients on the Right to Try Act.

The Right to Try Act permits/allows eligible patients to have access to eligible investigational drugs.

An eligible patient is a patient who has:

Been diagnosed with a life-threatening disease or condition
Exhausted approved treatment options and is unable to participate in a clinical trial involving the eligible investigational drug (this must be certified by a physician who is in good standing with their licensing organization or board and who will not be compensated directly by the manufacturer for certifying)
And has provided, or their legally authorized representative has provided written informed consent regarding the eligible investigational drug to the treating physician
An eligible investigational drug is an investigational drug:

For which a Phase 1 clinical trial has been completed
That has not been approved or licensed by the FDA for any use
For which an application has been filed with the FDA or is under investigation in a clinical trial that is intended to form the primary basis of a claim of effectiveness in support of FDA approval and is the subject of an active investigational new drug application submitted to the FDA
Whose active development or production is ongoing, and that has not been discontinued by the manufacturer or placed on clinical hold by the FDA
If you are interested in Right to Try, you should discuss this pathway with your licensed physician. Companies who develop and make drugs and biologics, also known as sponsors, can provide information about whether their drug/biologic is considered an eligible investigational drug under Right to Try and if they are able to provide the drug/biologic under the Right to Try Act.

The full text of the Right to Try Act, Public Law 115-176, can be found on US Congress’s website: Public Law 115-176.

https://www.fda.gov/patients/l...nt-options/right-try

Good for him! Unfortunately he will get run over in the middle of the street while licking his scrotum.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
So cancer must be pretty rare in dogs that take this common drug for worms then. You would think somebody wold have noticed that if it really works as this person claims or had noticed dogs with cancer suddenly be cured of cancer after taking this drug for worms.

It may have appeared to work exactly as described for that one person, but exactly what else was going on in his life. Correlation does not always equal causation. For all I know his microwave might have been leaking just the right radiation at the right frequency. I suspect that is why they do huge studies with controls (some folks get the placebo) and lots of other sadistical ^H oops, I mean statistical , stuff to hopefully make sure they can prove a level of safety and efficacy.

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
So cancer must be pretty rare in dogs that take this common drug for worms then. You would think somebody wold have noticed that if it really works ...

In fact: Somebody did:

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A serendipitous finding in lab mice made by research professor Gregory Riggins and neurosurgeon Gary Gallia is creating excitement as a possible treatment for glioblastoma, an aggressive brain tumor.

Riggins’ lab is known for discovering cancer-causing gene mutations and for assessing new drugs at the preclinical phase. Ordinarily, he and his colleagues have no trouble triggering glioblastoma cells to proliferate in mice. But over the course of several months in 2009, they encountered one group of mice in which the tumors would not grow. After some investigating, the scientists discovered that the mice had been treated with the veterinary antiparasitic drug fenbendazole.

Full article: Surprise Finding Yields a Possible Tumor-Fighting Drug

Please note carefully where that was published.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Please note carefully where that was published.

And the date. You would think if they ran across this in 2014 someone would have researched it a little more by now.

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Originally posted by olfuzzy:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Please note carefully where that was published.

And the date. You would think if they ran across this in 2014 someone would have researched it a little more by now.

all about the $$$

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
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Ha! Sometimes more words in subject IS still clickbait.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by grumpy1:
So cancer must be pretty rare in dogs that take this common drug for worms then. You would think somebody wold have noticed that if it really works ...

In fact: Somebody did:

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A serendipitous finding in lab mice made by research professor Gregory Riggins and neurosurgeon Gary Gallia is creating excitement as a possible treatment for glioblastoma, an aggressive brain tumor.

Riggins’ lab is known for discovering cancer-causing gene mutations and for assessing new drugs at the preclinical phase. Ordinarily, he and his colleagues have no trouble triggering glioblastoma cells to proliferate in mice. But over the course of several months in 2009, they encountered one group of mice in which the tumors would not grow. After some investigating, the scientists discovered that the mice had been treated with the veterinary antiparasitic drug fenbendazole.

Full article: Surprise Finding Yields a Possible Tumor-Fighting Drug

Please note carefully where that was published.

That is a far cry from a "cure" as the article in the OP suggests. Many many drugs inhibit tumor growth and have for decades, my sister is taking some now that is FDA approved and goes to her oncologist office for the shot. Lab mice are also a far cry from a dog. Certainly veterinarians would have noticed dogs "cured" of cancer after giving them this drug for worms if it works as well as article in OP suggests.

Well, the title of the post '...the cure for stage four cancer...' is a bit of a stretch, even if this one treatment pans out for this one cancer, but anything that helps anyone suffering from any stage of any cancer, is good in my book.

So many kinds, so many causes.

Needs to be clinically proven, as has been noted above and in the article. Stuff happens, and faulty logic equating correlation with causality needs to be ruled out.

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Originally posted by Jim Shugart:
The odds of this being true are less than the odds of me getting a blowjob from Angelina Jolie before midnight tonight.

FWIW I'm rootin' for ya.

I waged a 23 year battle against psoriasis. To say it was an education is a wild understatement.

I'll say it up front and will repeat it at the end; you're on your own as far as cures go.

Years ago, I remember watching a roundtable discussion on an outlandish alternative cure for cancer. At one point, the proponents of the alternative cure threw a challenge at the conventional practitioners; "Let's test it".

The conventional practitioners just smiled and immediately folded. They always fold if it comes to risking a multi BILLION dollar industry by credibly testing a cure that costs next to nothing. A-L-W-A-Y-S.

There have been a number of discoveries by practitioners of alternative medicine that have been quietly adopted by the conventional community. Practitioners of alternative medicine have lectured for years that antibiotics cause problems since they kill the good along with the bad. This is why prescriptions for antibiotics also come with a prescription for a probiotic. This is a direct offshoot of the efforts of practitioners of alternative medicine.

As for the subject of this thread; The drug may not have killed the cancer, it simply may have killed the parasite that caused the cancer. There are people who espouse these type of approaches. Correlation does not equal causation.

Indeed, you are pretty much on your own when it comes to your own well being.

V.