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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Good for the kid. Work is always a great option compared to what kids can get involved in. But lets not gloss over the most important part of the article. Who the hell called this kid in, and why has that person not had their ass handed to them? In Florida, if you report someone for a violation like this, your name is available as part of the public complaint record. Someone needs to find that info and make this person's life absolutely miserable.

I have zero problems with health code being followed. Someone called it in, officials helped the boy get in compliance (and paid his fines), now no one will get sick from unsafe food handling practices.

Whatever. $100 says the POS who called this in didn't give two shits about health code or anything approaching a civic concern. Just another POS sticking their damn nose in where it doesn't belong and isn't wanted. Easy check...has anyone who actually was a customer complained of anything? Yeah, I think we all know the answer to that. I love the fact that local officials helped the kid get into compliance with code, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was posing any real risk to anyone. I'm about at the end of my tolerance with this sort of BS by people who simply want to try and make others lives as miserable as theirs.

I’m surprised that humans didn’t go extinct in the 70s and 80s when kids built up lemonade stands Willy nilly without government to protect us.

We really dodged a bullet there.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
Good for the kid. Work is always a great option compared to what kids can get involved in. But lets not gloss over the most important part of the article. Who the hell called this kid in, and why has that person not had their ass handed to them? In Florida, if you report someone for a violation like this, your name is available as part of the public complaint record. Someone needs to find that info and make this person's life absolutely miserable.

I have zero problems with health code being followed. Someone called it in, officials helped the boy get in compliance (and paid his fines), now no one will get sick from unsafe food handling practices.

Whatever. $100 says the POS who called this in didn't give two shits about health code or anything approaching a civic concern. Just another POS sticking their damn nose in where it doesn't belong and isn't wanted. Easy check...has anyone who actually was a customer complained of anything? Yeah, I think we all know the answer to that. I love the fact that local officials helped the kid get into compliance with code, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was posing any real risk to anyone. I'm about at the end of my tolerance with this sort of BS by people who simply want to try and make others lives as miserable as theirs.

I’m surprised that humans didn’t go extinct in the 70s and 80s when kids built up lemonade stands Willy nilly without government to protect us.

We really dodged a bullet there.

Lemonade is not perishable, the only concern with it would be clean hands or gloves when preparing.

I don't care what the reason it was called in general health concerns or because the kid set up business in a residential neighborhood in front of his house. I'd be pissed, I would do the exact same thing, and not for health reasons. I don't want 100-150 people stopping by my next door neighbors house to conduct unlicensed business five days a week four hours a day.

You want to run a business in your front yard, fine, do it. But there's a but. Get the property rezoned for commercial/restaurant use, get s business license, get all necessary insurances and inspections. This was a full time business, not a kid setting up a lemonade stand for a weekend.

How would you like to see all the traffic from serving 100-150 people a day in front or next to your house? What about the trash associated with it. Ketchup and mustard packages discarded in the street hot dog wrappers blowing in the wind.

Apparently I am not as tightly wound about it as you.

Nope, it was a kid selling hot dogs. Thank GOD the government stepped in and regulated this anarchy.

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Apparently I am not as tightly wound about it as you.

Nope, it was a kid selling hot dogs. Thank GOD the government stepped in and regulated this anarchy.

This is not a kid just selling dogs, it's a business with regular hours serving 500-750 hot dogs a week. It should be treated as a business since it operates like one.

There's a huge difference between a weekend lemonade stand. He's generating $1,000-$1500 per week in hot dog sales alone (more than I make a week) plus sales from chips and drinks are another likely $1,000 per week. I'm not even sure why they paid the fee for him. The kid is obviously making a crap ton of money, likely more per week than the people who issued the ticket make.

Not In My Neighborhood.

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Not In My Neighborhood.

I think that is largely probably what it comes down to.

You will always have people that will inform on their neighbors to keep what they consider undesirable out on their neighborhood. The American dream is fine, as long as it happens elsewhere.

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Apparently I am not as tightly wound about it as you.

Nope, it was a kid selling hot dogs. Thank GOD the government stepped in and regulated this anarchy.

This is not a kid just selling dogs, it's a business with regular hours serving 500-750 hot dogs a week. It should be treated as a business since it operates like one.

There's a huge difference between a weekend lemonade stand. He's generating $1,000-$1500 per week in hot dog sales alone (more than I make a week) plus sales from chips and drinks are another likely $1,000 per week. I'm not even sure why they paid the fee for him. The kid is obviously making a crap ton of money, likely more per week than the people who issued the ticket make.

Not In My Neighborhood.

Somebody is paying for the meat, buns, condiments, wrappings, etc., so what he takes in is not all profit. And how do you know that he doesn't keep the place tidy?

I can understand your concerns about the increased traffic, but since he operates during lunch hour, aren't you at work somewhere? Isn't it possible that a lot of his clients walk?

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Apparently I am not as tightly wound about it as you.

Nope, it was a kid selling hot dogs. Thank GOD the government stepped in and regulated this anarchy.

This is not a kid just selling dogs, it's a business with regular hours serving 500-750 hot dogs a week. It should be treated as a business since it operates like one.

There's a huge difference between a weekend lemonade stand. He's generating $1,000-$1500 per week in hot dog sales alone (more than I make a week) plus sales from chips and drinks are another likely $1,000 per week. I'm not even sure why they paid the fee for him. The kid is obviously making a crap ton of money, likely more per week than the people who issued the ticket make.

Not In My Neighborhood.

If it was a mess, with people parked on my driveway, etc., I'd complain. I'd start by talking to the kid and his parents, though. Not by ratting him out.

If it was quiet, clean, and orderly, I would not gripe.

The zoning issue is a nullity here - we ain't got any. There can be deed restrictions, but no government imposed land-use regulations. Which is both good and bad.

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The zoning issue is a nullity here - we ain't got any. There can be deed restrictions, but no government imposed land-use regulations. Which is both good and bad.

You live in Houston?

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Chaos! Total chaos, I tell ya!

This world is going to hell in a hand basket because some snot-nosed 13 year old miscreant wants to sell hotdogs on his front lawn!!!

Ketchup packs all over the place!
Next thing you know, Dogs and Cats are going to be living together. This is a sure sign of the apocalypse!

All because he wants to be some sort of entrepreneur? A lil Donny Trump? Make some money? Build a better mousetrap?
We need to punish this kid, and make an example out of him for all to see, so every other kid falls in line.

I doubt if the kid is responsible enough to make hotdogs, sit through a govt sponsored health class, and run a stand, he's probably not responsible enough to pick up trash around his stand, in front of his house. Lil punk probably doesn't even know about this invention called a "garbage can"! The Gaul that this kid has!!!

Someone needs to shut that stand down and tell him to sell dope, like the 13yo do in my city!

(Hell, If I figured out that some kid was making a Grand a week sellin hotdogs, and it was more than I was making... I might think of opening a hotdog stand.)

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Apparently I am not as tightly wound about it as you.

Nope, it was a kid selling hot dogs. Thank GOD the government stepped in and regulated this anarchy.

You and me both. If history is any indicator, I'd likely have offered to help the kid when I was free. Had a neighbor one time ask if I was going to call in another neighbor for what she thought to be repairs to his roof made without pulling a permit. I told her I likely wasn't the right person to talk to about it given I was headed down to his home to give him a hand.

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Damn...I'd almost be willing to hop a non-rev to MSP, Uber to wherever they are, and just buy a few dogs from the kid and shake his hand.

What is noteworthy and hand-shake worthy IMO is the attitudes of the health inspectors - instead of just shutting down the violator, the inspectors figured out how to train the kid up, figured out what license applied _and_ paid the fee.

So well-done to all around - teen entrepreneur and not-so-bureaucratic bureaucrats!

Now, re:location. They may need similar benevolence from zoning inspectors, if they have strict zoning in that area. Success brings its own problems and many neighborhoods are zoned 'no commercial activity'. Hopefully he's not run afoul of something like that.

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The zoning issue is a nullity here - we ain't got any. There can be deed restrictions, but no government imposed land-use regulations. Which is both good and bad.

You live in Houston?

flashguy

Yes - well just outside.

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If it was a mess, with people parked on my driveway, etc., I'd complain. I'd start by talking to the kid and his parents, though. Not by ratting him out.

If it was quiet, clean, and orderly, I would not gripe.

The zoning issue is a nullity here - we ain't got any. There can be deed restrictions, but no government imposed land-use regulations. Which is both good and bad.

Texas law just took effect a couple of days ago banning cities and counties from prohibiting kids from setting up lemonade type of stands.

I agree that this is a good story. The kid has drive and obviously wants to better himself and make a few bucks. Who knows where this can take him in the future. He was taught proper food handling, passed the checks and I am sure that won't be the last one. If he can do it, good for him.

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If it was a mess, with people parked on my driveway, etc., I'd complain. I'd start by talking to the kid and his parents, though. Not by ratting him out.

If it was quiet, clean, and orderly, I would not gripe.

The zoning issue is a nullity here - we ain't got any. There can be deed restrictions, but no government imposed land-use regulations. Which is both good and bad.

Texas law just took effect a couple of days ago banning cities and counties from prohibiting kids from setting up lemonade type of stands.

That applies to drink sellers only. Food stands, even those run by kids, aren't included.