I took the keys away but I plan on getting a Tesla with full self driving in about another 10 years to prevent me getting to that point.

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Originally posted by mrvmax:
I took the keys away but I plan on getting a Tesla with full self driving in about another 10 years to prevent me getting to that point.

This is the way, GM's Supercruise and Fords BlueCruise are not up to the level of the Teslas, and typically only have major roads and highways.

A used Model Y with FSD is a good way to go, it can take over and do the whole trip from garage to supermarket and back.

My dad gave it up voluntarily, hasn't said word one since about getting it back. We did get him a golf cart to put around the development so it gives him some freedom. He said he didn't feel comfortable driving around all the people who just fly, guess he noticed he wasn't one of those flyers anymore.

Between Uber/Lyft, neighbors, and family he can get to doctors appointments, Wal-Mart brings groceries and the mail order pharma his medications, add in BezosWorld.com and you can get most thing delivered easily.

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Originally posted by 1s1k:
At least buy him a Tesla with FSD.

In all seriousness I bet that will start to happen more often.

Absolutely. Guy we know has done just that. The only thing keeping it from being more prevalent is that the current "older ones" are not tech savy as a lot.

You can't count on the Dr. to assist. We approached my dads Neurologist for assistance (Parkinsons) and she flat out refused to offer an opinion. Dad finally accepted that he was unsafe and gave it up but it was NOT a quick or smooth process.

Are you guys suggesting that a FSD Tesla is the solution for a person with diminishing mental capabilities?

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Absolutely. Guy we know has done just that. The only thing keeping it from being more prevalent is that the current "older ones" are not tech savy as a lot.

My FIL picks up his land line every time it rings. 99 percent of the time it is a telemarketer, not a person but an AI bot. He will yell at them and get all pissed off, which is somewhat amusing. When I told them it is not a real person but AI, he doesn’t believe me because it wasn’t talking like a machine. The man turns off all the safety/driver assist features in his car because he doesn’t trust them. He will never own a FSD vehicle, but I would actually love to take him on a test drive with Tesla.

My dad started showing signs of dementia several years ago. I had his doc test for Alzheimers on his next scheduled visit. Positive diagnosis. Doc took his driving privileges away. Did it legally by reporting to the DMV. And that was that. He hated it but was oblivious that he almost ran a minivan full of kids off the road the week before his license was revoked. His Alzheimers is obvious and advancing seemingly exponentially.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Are you guys suggesting that a FSD Tesla is the solution for a person with diminishing mental capabilities?

Seriously, FSD is NOT a solution for people that shouldn't drive!

According to Tesla...

"When enabled, your vehicle will drive you almost anywhere with your active supervision, requiring minimal intervention."

"Currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous."

https://www.tesla.com/fsd

My Dad was still driving in his late 80's. Someone folded in the side view mirrors while the car was in a public parking lot. Dad got on the highway without realizing it, couldn't merge got stuck on a very narrow strip of shoulder, managed to unfold the driver's side but could not reach the passenger side mirror. Mom was in that seat but was unable to unfold it. It all worked out but Dad began to taper off his driving on his own. The battery would die for lack of use and with all the hassle, he asked me to sell the car. They are in their 90's now in assisted living and we have a family friend nearby that will chauffeur them around but they really don't like to go out much.Mom stopped driving in her 40's after few scary incidents. Ironically she has almost 20/20 vision after her cataracts surgery. Dad still keeps his DL for ID purposes, but we might look into a non driver ID at his next renewal.

Guess I have it easy. Mom is 84 and has macular degeneration, she no longer drives. Dad is 85, sold his Porsche Cayman S, leased a Civic. He's still sharp as a tack and has no physical issues.

Grok says that FSD-driven Teslas have 2.7x fewer major collisions than manually driven Teslas. The multiplier is likely larger for Senior Citizen drivers.

Accidents in a tesla (depends on model?) may be a consideration. There was single car accident involving a tesla this year that was in the papers. The car caught on fire after crashing and the FD couldn't put it out - needed to wait until after the batteries burned themselves out.

No idea of teslas are more prone to accident related fires than gas cars (other than pinto) or even hybrids. But kind of concerning that they can burst into fire that can't be easily extinguished.

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No idea of teslas are more prone to accident related fires than gas cars (other than pinto) or even hybrids. But kind of concerning that they can burst into fire that can't be easily extinguished.

I doubt that that hazard is worse for Teslas than other EVs. Or hybrids?

Grok query:
“Are post-crash vehicle fires more likely for Teslas than other automobiles?”

Grok response:
“No. Available data do not show Teslas — or battery-electric vehicles in general — are more likely to catch fire after a crash than gasoline or diesel cars. They appear less likely overall. When a Tesla does burn after a severe crash, the fire can be harder to put out and can reignite, which is why those incidents get more attention.”
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A widely cited U.S. compilation (NTSB incident counts plus sales/registration data) puts fire rates roughly at:

Type: Fires per 100K vehicles
Hybrid: ~3,475
Gasoline ICE: ~1,530
Battery-electric: ~25

Are there industry design rules that prevent ev/hybrid from a pinto like repeat?

Following. Dad is 79 and doing great, and did surprisingly well last Christmas driving around Houston's aggressive drivers when I was a non-driving cripple after Achilles tendon surgery.

However, Dad had to take my paternal grandfather's keys as he developed macular degeneration and couldn't see the E on the eye chart even with glasses. Grandpa insisted he was fine to drive as he avoided main roads by driving on lots of 25 mph residential streets (i.e. where children play). In a short time period, Grandpa had both a lowspeed crash into a parking lot's light stanchion (driving forward not backing up) and then totaled his car in an accident that was his fault. Dad said it was one of the worst days of his life taking the keys away and for the rest of his life Grandpa really missed the independence.

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Are there industry design rules that prevent ev/hybrid from a pinto like repeat?

See my edit to my post immediately above yours, konata.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:

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No idea of teslas are more prone to accident related fires than gas cars (other than pinto) or even hybrids. But kind of concerning that they can burst into fire that can't be easily extinguished.

I doubt that that hazard is worse for Teslas than other EVs. Or hybrids?

Grok query:
“Are post-crash vehicle fires more likely for Teslas than other automobiles?”

Grok response:
“No. Available data do not show Teslas — or battery-electric vehicles in general — are more likely to catch fire after a crash than gasoline or diesel cars. They appear less likely overall. When a Tesla does burn after a severe crash, the fire can be harder to put out and can reignite, which is why those incidents get more attention.”
………
A widely cited U.S. compilation (NTSB incident counts plus sales/registration data) puts fire rates roughly at:

Type: Fires per 100K vehicles
Hybrid: ~3,475
Gasoline ICE: ~1,530
Battery-electric: ~25

Stats are not meaningful w/o understanding what normalizations are included. If the data includes fender benders vs only front end crashes that compress the front cabin by 50%, for example. If the gas includes cars, trucks, suvs, etc vs just ev cars, bias may be introduced. EV more in sunny CA vs gas vehicles more homogenous across regions including those that are perhaps more hazardous leading to more severe accidents.

Again, dunno. Just saying that stats can be misleading unless properly normalized.

My mom passed away last year...she suffered from dementia.

About 5 years prior to that, she knew she wasn't going to drive any longer. But she was bound and determined to renew her license. She practiced the DMV test drive route over and over. Darn if she didn't pass it. After passing it, she basically gave up the keys.

For some people, they just know. I can't imagine having to take the keys away.

I do think with the new FSD, this won't be as big of an issue once the cars start driving us around.

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Originally posted by Beanhead:
My mom passed away last year...she suffered from dementia.

About 5 years prior to that, she knew she wasn't going to drive any longer. But she was bound and determined to renew her license. She practiced the DMV test drive route over and over. Darn if she didn't pass it. After passing it, she basically gave up the keys.

For some people, they just know. I can't imagine having to take the keys away.

I do think with the new FSD, this won't be as big of an issue once the cars start driving us around.

She probably wanted to have her ID in case she got carded at the liquor store (j/k)…

My mom is 95 and lives in a retirement center. She drives her car to go to the grocery store and doctor visits and occasionally to see one of my sisters in a nearby town. She does not drive at night.

When we were up there last year in our Y I gave her a demonstration of FSD by going to her grocery store. She was impressed but still not convinced. Time will tell.

If the cybercab gets off the ground it would be a perfect vehicle to have her transported around the towns in southern NH.

My Dad was driving well into his eighties even as he had an early diagnosis of the onset of Alzheimer’s. His driving wasn’t a problem early on but as things progressed, he did begin to have some issues. One example was him going to pickup an older friend for an appointment. Just a couple of road barricades caused him enough confusion that he just gave up and drove back home. At the point he came up for license renewal he and my sister listed the Alzheimer’s on his medical conditions. That triggered the Texas requirements listed earlier in this thread. The first step would have been to retest both the written and driving tests. My sister felt she could tutor Daddy, that effort went by the wayside quickly as Daddy wasn’t particularly amenable to the written test.

Once we got to that point, he very easily accepted that his driving days were through.

I think now, we were one wrong turn away from a family tragedy, it just didn’t come into our thinking at the time.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
Are you guys suggesting that a FSD Tesla is the solution for a person with diminishing mental capabilities?

Where did the OP state a diminished mental capacity?