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Originally posted by Dusty78:
If you remember I once posted a police video where once officer had his taser in his gun hand aiming it as it he didn’t realize it wasn’t his sidearm while in an active shootout.

And the opposite has also been true. There have been a number of incidents in which officers have shot people thinking they were using their TASERs.

I think the reason why the officers were insisting on treatment was because there was another vehicle involved and likely this guy was at fault and to me he seems either altered mentally or intoxicated. I would assume an arrest was forthcoming or at least a trip to the ER for BAC or Drug screen testing. You can’t arrest someone who’s injured without medical treatment first.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by Dusty78:
If you remember I once posted a police video where once officer had his taser in his gun hand aiming it as it he didn’t realize it wasn’t his sidearm while in an active shootout.

And the opposite has also been true. There have been a number of incidents in which officers have shot people thinking they were using their TASERs.

Training officers to deploy tasers with their non-dominant hand would likely solve both those issues.

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I don't know if that guy was mentally impaired, under the influence, stubborn, or just stupid

Probably:

“E. All of the above”

I noted (upon receiving his dose of hot lead) the eloquence with which the perp expressed his dismay. He's a wordsmith, I tell you. Nigh upon Shakespearean ability to forge thoughts into beautiful poetry.

Quoth the perpetrator:

"Oh, SH*T!"
"Oh, SH*T!"
"Oh, SH*T!"
"Oh, SH*T!"
"Oh, SH*T!"
"Oh, SH*T!"

That sorry bastered cost 20k getting a chopper ride.
Should have be taken into custody asap.

Didn't need medical ....

Proof that blood letting does in fact work. See how much better he was after removing some blood?

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Originally posted by arfmel:

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I don't know if that guy was mentally impaired, under the influence, stubborn, or just stupid

Probably:

“E. All of the above”

Yep. Sometimes as a result of being stupid, stubborn, and long term impairment on illegal drugs they develop mental conditions. Other times they are stubborn, stupid and mentally impaired/mental condition that causes them to self medicate using illegal drugs.......Results are the same, only the how is different.

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Originally posted by honestlou:
I don't know if that guy was mentally impaired, under the influence, stubborn, or just stupid. But I don't think that I would have opened fire from two car lengths away on the guy because he had a taser.
Question for LEOs: Are you allowed to forcibly restrain someone at the scene of an accident in order to administer first aid if it is refused? I would think if he caused the accident, then they could take him into custody, and I know you can get a warrant to draw blood. But this didn't seem to be the case here. They just said "they are going to check you out". I didn't see any indication or attempt to put into custody prior to the taser snatch and shooting.

I'm not LEO, but yes you can use "implied consent" to hold and treat someone under the circumstances in the video. Given the manner of the car accident, and how the man was acting irrationally, I (and the medics on scene) would assume the patient has had a TBI, and therefore unable to give expressed consent to be treated.

I'm not going to armchair QB the shooting, but I will say that otherwise calm and kind people can become extremely aggressive and for a lack of better term, go "ape shit" after suffering a TBI. I once had a guy rip through wrist & elbow restraints, grab a nurse's phone, and bit it in half... It took 5 of us to pin him down and get him under control.

What’s a “TBI”?
(I suspect I know, but I dislike making assumptions about things like this.)

Traumatic Brain Injury. Could range from concussion to severe closed head injury with coma.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Traumatic Brain Injury.

Thank you.
That was my guess, but it’s always nice to not have to.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

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Originally posted by honestlou:
But I don't think that I would have opened fire from two car lengths away on the guy because he had a taser. I say that knowing that another officer was there.

I agree and would not like having to explain doing that under the deadly force rules I am familiar with.

Granted we only have the optics of a limited peripheral of a single body camera.
I am guessing I would not have fired, yet.
But given a totality of the circumstances approach one could fairly easily justify the shoot.
All the use of force continuum I have come across allows for the escalation of force when lower levels of force prove to be ineffective.

You have a suspect disarm an officer of his taser and they deploy a taser on the suspect that clearly has no effect since he is not going down, still pointing a taser at an officer, and not responding to verbal commands. The officer is now in an active lane of traffic and if the suspect uses the taser and it is effective on the officer he will then be incapacitated on the ground in a lane of moving traffic (appears to be a highway or maybe an entrance to a highway) but there is clearly traffic flow. That puts the officer in a high risk of serious injury or death if he goes down and is hit.

But again we get one limited view so nothing but a whole bunch of what ifs.

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Originally posted by Dusty78:
I think the reason why the officers were insisting on treatment was because there was another vehicle involved and likely this guy was at fault and to me he seems either altered mentally or intoxicated. I would assume an arrest was forthcoming or at least a trip to the ER for BAC or Drug screen testing. You can’t arrest someone who’s injured without medical treatment first.

Glad I am not where you are and have to get medical treatment before making an arrest.
Whole lot of safety issues arise from that scenario in my book. I'll make the arrest and then get medical attention.

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Originally posted by Black92LX:
The officer is now in an active lane of traffic and if the suspect uses the taser and it is effective on the officer he will then be incapacitated on the ground in a lane of moving traffic ....

Valid point.

Where did he think his fat ass was going to run to?

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Where did he think his fat ass was going to run to?

To the lake for another swim?

6:13-6:22 - he must be allergic to bullets. That's a lot of sneezing.

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Originally posted by arfmel:

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I don't know if that guy was mentally impaired, under the influence, stubborn, or just stupid

Probably:

“E. All of the above”

Or, given that his truck was perpendicular to the direction it should have been, and also underwater, it's possible he had a head injury.

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Originally posted by ryan81986:

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Originally posted by arfmel:

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I don't know if that guy was mentally impaired, under the influence, stubborn, or just stupid

Probably:

“E. All of the above”

Or, given that his truck was perpendicular to the direction it should have been, and also underwater, it's possible he had a head injury.

There is a plethora of videos just like this one wherein certain individuals resembling the perp in this video have experienced no accident of any kind, and yet behave just as this genius did. But, woe unto anyone who draws any logical conclusions because of them.

Notice how a gunshot wound aids in compliance.

He went from acting like he didn't understand a goddamm thing he was being asked to fully aware of the situation in an instant.