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Blaming the high cost of houses for the homeless problem is silly. Anyone that thinks that the bums shitting on the sidewalk are there because the average price of a 2 bedroom bungalow topped 900k are high.

Good point. Bums are bums. They would still be bums if there were reasonably priced rental units widely available. But don't feed them and you won't get more of them.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

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Originally posted by chellim1:...Bums are bums. They would still be bums if there were reasonably priced rental units widely available. But don't feed them and you won't get more of them.


I can't remember the root quote, but something like "A foolish person takes a man out of the slums, but the man builds a new slum around him wherever he goes. A wise person first takes the slum out of the man, and the man then takes himself out of the slums".




"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944
 
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Originally posted by Tn226:
...$75 million a year for affordable housing and homelessness services....


The easy part is raising the money (good or bad) the "fun" starts when the city starts looking for the location to build the "affordable housing and homelessness services". The unanimous cry will be "not in my backyard"!
 
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Listening to radio interviews of Sawant voters who now see the fails of socialism is mind numbing. Putin please nuke this gay state.
 
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If Amazon had any marbles they would leave and move to a tax friendly state such as Tennessee.
 
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From what I've read, Amazon is beginning to catch on...

I hope they bail out of there for a free state.
 
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if your homeless, to what address do they send the tax bill?



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I love it. These real life failures of leftism are awesome.

They are following things to the logical conclusion - the problem with socialism is sooner or later you run out of other peoples money.

Better yet, wall the city off.
 
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if you're homeless, to what address do they send the tax bill?

When I saw the thread title:
Seattle proposes new “homeless” tax

.... that's exactly what I thought too! Wink
Of course, it would be brilliant!
If you want less of something, tax it! If you want more of something, subsidize it.
Which are they doing? Roll Eyes



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
if your homeless, to what address do they send the tax bill?


I always cringe when the news describes someone as "A Homeless Man who makes his home in Salem......."


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Seattle is doing it all wrong. They need to do what the crown did under Edward the 6th, after he finished off confiscating the Church's property and reallocating the property to the crown, in conjunction with the new owners either raising the rents on the renters, or changing the land use from farming to sheep raising as selling wool in Flanders was much more profitable.

The 100K or so homeless former tenants/workers then were subjected to vagrancy laws, where a 2nd or 3rd offense would result in a felon's punishment by death.

This should solve Seattle's problem at minimal expense.


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If Amazon had any marbles they would leave and move to a tax friendly state such as Tennessee.
Yeah, that would be interesting. And Bezos should bring Blue Origin down south as well, since they launch from TX anyway.
 
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if your homeless, to what address do they send the tax bill?


Sooner or later the worker/taxpayer will have to pay the money.




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- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944
 
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if your homeless, to what address do they send the tax bill?

Sooner or later the worker/taxpayer will have to pay the money.


I like this idea better:
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The 100K or so homeless former tenants/workers then were subjected to vagrancy laws, where a 2nd or 3rd offense would result in a felon's punishment by death.

This should solve Seattle's problem at minimal expense.

Break up their little "camps". Jail them. Deport them.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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The sooner every large business flees these socialist states, the better.
Then they'll cry for federal dollars to fund their socialist utopia.

The communist Kshama Sawant dosen't even try to hide what she is and the communists drones vote for her.





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Amazon, the city’s largest employer, would take the biggest hit.

A semi-rhetorical question: when Amazon books out of there and moves to a city without such ridiculousness, what then?

A counterpoint question; What happens when Amazon just decides to stay and put up with it, and simply passes the homelessness tax on to it's patrons (like me?), in the form of higher prices? In effect, that put's me at the barrel of a government tax collector's gun twice...

Supply and Demand take affect.

Walmart is already trying to best Amazon as the #1 online retailer. They up their game and you take your business elsewhere.

Economics 101.
 
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Originally posted by chellim1:....Break up their little "camps". Jail them. ...


Seems putting them in jail would be defacto free room and board for them, paid by the taxpayers.




"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944
 
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Originally posted by OMCHamlin:
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Originally posted by egregore:
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Amazon, the city’s largest employer, would take the biggest hit.

A semi-rhetorical question: when Amazon books out of there and moves to a city without such ridiculousness, what then?

A counterpoint question; What happens when Amazon just decides to stay and put up with it, and simply passes the homelessness tax on to it's patrons (like me?), in the form of higher prices? In effect, that put's me at the barrel of a government tax collector's gun twice...

Supply and Demand take affect.

Walmart is already trying to best Amazon as the #1 online retailer. They up their game and you take your business elsewhere.

Economics 101.


Bezos may be a quite liberal in his political views, but I think he is a hard capitalist in how he runs Amazon.




"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944
 
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My wife orders a ridiculous amount of stuff online and about half the time it’s jet.com (Walmart) now. If Walmart can get their shit straightened out then they’ll actually offer some meaningful competition in that space.
 
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Bezos may be a quite liberal in his political views, but I think he is a hard capitalist in how he runs Amazon.
Oh they all are.

They pay lip services to the Leftists, but you are correct - in the end they are hardline capitalist to a person.

I just checked walmart.com and their prices match a lot of stuff I get regularly from Amazon - however with Amazon's "Subscribe and Save", it's easy to get another 15% off - and considering the amount of Dog Food we go through, that adds up.

But if WallyWorld hire someone who knows what the fuck they are doing with an internet sales and fulfillment company, they could hit Amazon pretty hard.
 
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