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And lastly, one more time for the cheap seats, people with company cars aren’t PUBLICLY owned (just like the airlines/airplanes aren’t PUBLICLY owned). It has dick to to with the taxpayers. I don’t know if you guys keep bringing up airlines and company cars on purpose, or if you don’t understand the difference.

Because that business passes that cost to the customer then they right it off ( vehicle costs, depreciation, fuel costs off on THEIR TAXES, which you and I as tax payers eat it. So, my neighbor that works for the Porsche dealership is driving a Porsche GTS, $180,000.+ vehicle, after a month or so he'll turn it in, it can't be sold as a new car, so it will be sold as a used car, and the dealer, they'll write it off on their taxes.

Is that a grift?

So, I might be stupid because I'm just a grifting bus driver, you know someone that only works 50+ hours before sucking up tax payers money on field trips. I just want to get all learn't up.

ARman

You sum up the problem with Kentucky’s education system and education employees in pretty much one post. Not educating people and lust for spending taxpayer money. You work in the educational industrial complex and you can’t (or won’t) grasp basic civics.

The dude with the Porsche. I get that where you work indoctrinates people into Marxism and automatically it’s bad for one person to have that and he’s obviously “not paying his fair share”. But, his business made a choice using their money. And if it’s a bad choice, the company faces having to sell it, go out of business, etc. what the company doesn’t get to do is stick its hand deeper in the taxpayers pocket to cover reckless spending. The company certainly doesn’t get to increase the amount of tax money they get to loot from the taxpayers because they get to by statute.

The consumer also gets the choice to not buy Porsche man’s products if it’s too expensive because of reckless spending. They don’t have enforcers that come after me if I don’t buy their product. My drivers license or professional certificates won’t be suspended if I don’t buy their product.

The education system, at the hands of KEA, is failing Kentucky students. But, as long as everyone gets paid off it’s ok, right? Your neighbors following the tax code to get his money already paid to the government back by their own rules is the same theft that goes on in the school systems year after year? Riiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhhtttttt.

First, I'm not brainwashed, I'm more conservative than Rush Limbaugh was on most things.

Second, I agree that KEA is a blight, teachers unions in general are a blight.

Third, yes, most public school districts/systems ARE failing our children.

Fourth, I have said your district might be different from ours, I can't say.

Fifth, I work for a Kentucky school district, public school. Yes I do, yep. But I have explained that I only know what goes on where I work

Sixth, do you know what happens to the school taxes that you pay? Where it goes?

It all goes to Frankfort, then they send it back to the counties, not all of it, they steal their cut. But your county may get most of it back, OR more then they sent in. You see, Frankfort gives more money to counties that have more poor.

Now, since I live in a "wealthy" county we get back about 70% of what is sent in, where the neighboring county gets 130% of what they sent in.

The state is supposed to fund schools transportation 100%, but we have only been funded somewhere between 25% - 35%, the rest has been on our district to fund transportation department like a standard alone business.

We have one of the top preforming school district in kentucky, and like 1500 in the nation out of 12,000+ public school system/districts.

Though we are a "wealthy" country, our tax money funds other school districts. Yet, with lack of funding, our taxes hasn't gone up, we have achieved highly preforming schools, with the money we do have.

And to your title of your post, at least in our district they are funded by other means, because we don't get the taxes we pay back.

As for the school bus, like I said before we try to keep a newer fleet and get the extended warranty, so almost all Maintenance is on Tomas. The only thing that our service department deals with in the older out of warranty buses, and the required by law monthly inspections.

Most of the buses that are out of warranty are used as sub buses, then sold off to other school districts. So our maintenance costs are lower.

On field trips whoever it is gets billed for fuel, mileage, and wear and tear on the vehicle. Plus my pay.

Now, what I hear you saying is they are all the same, I'm ignorant and brainwashed and blind. I can assure you that isn't the case and I have explained in great detail how our district operates, because we do have to watch our money because we aren't fully funded by the state, or federal government.

Do I think that the schools of this state, heck country could be ran better? Hell yes! There is a lot of waste, there is a lot of B.S. , but we have managed to keep most of the woke, crazy B.S. out of our schools, I guess because we have a very conservative county, with a lot of influential people that are involved with the school board.

But you are painting with a very broad brush! That's like me saying every cop, or whatever is a dirty bastard because I saw one cop do something wrong. I, don't believe that, I support law enforcement. Yet there is a lot of questionable spending from almost all departments, and as a taxpayer, I also foot the bill. If I don't pay my taxes, some dude with a gun, duty belt, and uniform, and training that I most likely paid for will show up to yank my ass out of my house.


I'm just pointing out that all schools aren't the same, that I'm in full support of school choice, I believe that is probably THE only way to make schools work better.

I'm also proud of what we have done with the resources that is available to us. I'll also point out that 98% of transportation department is conservative, and most of our teachers and support staff, and administrators are also. Like I said, I live in a very republican area.

I can't answer for other transportation department staff, but we have very caring group that goes out of our way for the kids that we serve.

I'll also will add, we had a guy volunteer his time as a coach for one high schools LaCrosse team because the coaches quit and he wanted to keep it going for the kids. He was the brother of a transportation department employee. He not only volunteered his time, but paid for his background checks himself so these kids would have the opportunity to play.

We also had a wealthy family pay to have a shop class room built, the state made it as hard to do as possible, but in the end, this family managed to jump through all the hoops to get it done, all on their dime. So, like I said. I can only speak to where I work, but there are people that go above and beyond to make things work.

But hay, what do I know? I'm planning my next grift!

ARman

None of which, and I do mean none, changes the fact that the little school trip scams shouldn’t be done with taxpayer funded equipment.

It has dick to do with cop take home cars, airplane tickets, or private company cars. You’re more worried about me painting with a “broad brush” than the fact that you can’t or won’t understand that what you are doing is ethically compromised. And you can’t or won’t understand how personal and business taxes work. As opposed to those who belly up to the trough of taxpayer funds.

None. Of. It.

As others have said, perhaps all this money that is being wasted should be spent on actually teaching kids to read and write. Or that same amount returned to the taxpayers.

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We also had a wealthy family pay to have a shop class room built, the state made it as hard to do as possible,

It’s off topic a little, but what’s the root of that? Why would the state try to make it hard for someone to contribute?

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Again, despite what’s being said, the taxpayer is on the hook for school bus trip. The extra insurance, wear and tear, and based upon reading the grift the increased retirement costs for the bus drivers. A higher contribution to the driver means higher retirement costs to the taxpayer.

Those getting free shit from grift refuse to acknowledge its grift.


And an explanation to the taxpayers about KY teachers walking out of classes (multiple times) and bussed to Frankfort to protest. No doubt KEA paid off (rented) the bus drivers too, but I’d certainly love to hear how’s it not a stick in the eye to the taxpayer to use buses for subversive actions to taxpayer interest?

Or when buses were used to deliver food during COVID? I love the “highly trained” bus drivers that were getting mad because people were running their little stop signs. These highly trained professionals didn’t quite comprehend that the stop sign weren’t a magical mystical device that made them gods. KRS requires children to be on board. No children, no sign. Guess if they taught the actual law the course would be 5 months.

Are you on the state retirement system? I believe you are. Are you planning to pull as much overtime your last five years of service before retirement as to boost your retirement income?

No KRS does not require school children to be on board. It requires drivers to stop because someone, that somebody doesn't have to be a child, it might be an attendant for preschool or special needs, may be boarding or disembarking the school bus. We are taught actual law, and training in Kentucky is four ( 4 ) months. We are also required on going training during the school year and 8 hours recertification every year which has rules, laws ( state and federal) and regulations.

Sounds to me that you don't understand how this works.

Here is an easy to understand chart/graphics(?) On when to stop for a school bus. Again NO the presence of children on ( or even visible outside )the bus isn't required.

Stop Laws_ADA_EH.pdf https://www.education.ky.gov/d...op%20Laws_ADA_EH.pdf

I will also say, when the teachers walked out NOT ONE OF OUR BUSES WERE USED.

As for delivering food during COVID, well. We do have a contract guaranteeing 30 hours per week, so instead of being able to draw unemployment, which I would have been able to show 50+ hours and be based on that, I had to work a 30 hour week delivery the food ( and it wasn'tjust food, it was school work going to the studentsand going back to the teachers ), working in the service department, as ground keeping, or custodial work. So I lost a ton of money, and was not eligible for any of the government gravy from the state or uncle suger.

It sounds like you don't have a clue on school transportation. Hey, ride along and see what they deal with everyday. Hey, ask your transportation department to set up a training course and do it.

Actually look up what the State of Kentucky requires in training. As a said before its 4 mouths to be a Kentucky school bus driver, you can get a class A CDL with hazmad endorsement in like 6 weeks.

I will say again this " highly trained grifter " can assure you, KRS does not require children to be on board for the stop sign to be out. You ARE in correct on that.

Off to plan my next grift!

ARman

Nice try.

https://apps.legislature.ky.go...statute.aspx?id=6379

First line “used in the transportation of children.” KRS 189.370(1). Again, perhaps we should be teaching people how to read. Or at least comprehend what they read. And there’s actually case law that supports that. Whoops!

No child on board, no protection by KRS.

I get it, you’re desperate to try to throw shade on others to make yourself look better.

Yes, I do understand how it works. So, what’s the next straw you’ll grab at? The amount of federal funding that districts get somehow isn’t really taxpayer money?

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None of which, and I do mean none, changes the fact that the little school trip scams shouldn’t be done with taxpayer funded equipment.

It has dick to do with cop take home cars, airplane tickets, or private company cars. You’re more worried about me painting with a “broad brush” than the fact that you can’t or won’t understand that what you are doing is ethically compromised. And you can’t or won’t understand how personal and business taxes work. As opposed to those who belly up to the trough of taxpayer funds.

None. Of. It.

As others have said, perhaps all this money that is being wasted should be spent on actually teaching kids to read and write. Or that same amount returned to the taxpayers.

Mr. JLJONES you handle K9 for your department? When your K9 partner retires, do you, will you keep him/her? If so, are you going to reimburse your county for basically a million dollars dog? Because that's the average cost of acquiring and trading them, and paying you. So are you going to pay some of that back, for receiving a highly trained K9. I bet not.

The two K9 offices I know, paid a $1.00 to transfer ownership over to them so they got a million dollar dog for one buck. Sounds like a deal to me!

I'll say it again our schools are at the very top of the state, and the lowest performance schools is in the top 1500 out of over 90,000.

I told you how the trips at least in my district are funded

And like you take home vehicle, the insurance cost does not change whether it's sitting at the compound or transportation children to/from school or field trip. Also it doesn't matter how many passengers are on the bus, the fuel costs, mileage and my time remains the same. And as I said before sportball trips are paid at least with up, by booster, companies sponsor and fund raising ( you know kids sell candy bars, car washes ).

You can hate on how your school district is ran, you hate of bus drivers in general seams pretty clear to me. That's fine. I'll keep planning my next grift!


ARman

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Nice try.

https://apps.legislature.ky.go...statute.aspx?id=6379

First line “used in the transportation of children.” KRS 189.370(1). Again, perhaps we should be teaching people how to read. Or at least comprehend what they read. And there’s actually case law that supports that. Whoops!

No child on board, no protection by KRS.

I get it, you’re desperate to try to throw shade on others to make yourself look better.

Yes, I do understand how it works. So, what’s the next straw you’ll grab at? The amount of federal funding that districts get somehow isn’t really taxpayer money?

I know how to read, and it say TRANSPORTING CHILDREN, it doesn't say they a required to be on board. It doesn't say they have to be present at the stop.I have read KRS 189.370(1), now show me the line that says that school children has to be on board. I don't see it there. It says transportation children which includes picking them up, dropping off at school and picking them up at school and dropping them off at designated place.

Have you ever passed a school when they are dropping off and picking up? Ever noticed that the buses have their lights on and ( little) stop sign out? You know why? Because it is required by law to do so even in the school parking lot.

As to federal tax money, I understand where it comes from. I also know we get very little of it compared to other districts.

Does your department receive federal money, or equipment? Do you use it?

Mr . JLJONES, I do understand where you are coming from, and I agree with most of it. I have explained how my district does what it does, and the funding. But hey, I'm just an uneducated grifting bus driver that can't drive, to stupid to see, and been brainwashed. Off to my next grift!
ARman

Hahahahha

Desperation is a stinky cologne. Have you thought about maybe saying something about my mom?

I had a dog 20 years ago when they were handing out cuts. Haven’t had one since. But, please do continue on a tirade about how you know a guy. The fact that you try so hard to point fingers at everything and everyone (me, your neighbor for having a nice work car, a couple of random K9 guys, some agency that you suspect has questionable spending, and the list goes on) else is the quiet part out loud. You know what you’re doing is wrong.

“A thief believes all other men are thieves” Aristotle

I guess all that remains is you to report me to KEA to have me “dealt with”, doxxed, etc. Oh noes

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Hahahahha

Desperation is a stinky cologne. Have you thought about maybe saying something about my mom?

I had a dog 20 years ago when they were handing out cuts. Haven’t had one since. But, please do continue on a tirade about how you know a guy.

“A thief believes all other men are thieves” Aristotle

I have never called you a thief, or the two actual officers I know that kept their retired K9.

I understand that that dollar payment is to release the government from Liability and make it clear that that dog is now someone's other then the Departments.

I just made a factual statement that on average the cost of get said dog, training, vet care and food is an average of a million dollars. I was being kind of an asshole asking if you, or other officers pay back part of that. I'm not sorry because it was meant to be partly a joke, as no one in their right mind would think that, and to also make you step back and look at the advantages that you have received at taxpayers expense, as in training, maybe gear, and that you can/could use that personally for your benefit, like training people for a fee. I'm OK with that.

You see, here's the problem. By you, I'm the dumb ass grifter ( thief) bus driver that does know anything about anything.

And I have explained in great detail that at least where I work, that doesn't happen ( I'm also not saying someone isn't doing anything wrong as I know of ).

Unlike you I don't hate cops, like you hate school bus drivers. I understand stand there are shit bags everywhere. Just because I saw a cop, doctor or Indian chef do something wrong, I don't think, all must be bad.

I don't know your mother, and you seem to be mostly a pretty good person, so I have to think that she did a good job at raising you.

But by you, all schools are bad, and I in return as a bus driver IS a thief.

I'm not saying that schools aren't wasting money, they are, at least the majority of them. I'm don't deny they could, and should do better at teaching kids. Even our very well performing schools can do better.

I agree KEA is a joke, all the teachers unions are a blight.

I'm off planning another grift!


ARman

Hate. I hate all bus drivers now. I see. One of my coworkers wife is the transportation director for a district. And he’s a part time driver.

They both agree that it’s unethical. And she’s working to change it.

Guess they hate drivers too, eh?

What’s next? I must hate kids? The underprivileged? What other blame shift will you pull? Did your neighbor take two pieces of candy at the bazaar instead of only one?

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Hate. I hate all bus drivers now. I see. One of my coworkers wife is the transportation director for a district. And he’s a part time driver.

They both agree that it’s unethical. And she’s working to change it.

Guess they hate drivers too, eh?

What’s next? I must hate kids? The underprivileged? What other blame shift will you pull? Did your neighbor take two pieces of candy at the bazaar instead of only one?

I'm dumb. I know that. I'm just a bus driver.

I don't understand how it's unethical for students to use the safest vehicle to transport children if they are paysports ball! If they are using taxpayers money, they would be using it with someone like Miller Transportation, at least it's keeping it in house.

As I said before, an accident that would be In fatal in a van would be nothing in a bus. Your also saying paying more for someone like Miller Transportation which doesn't hold their drivers to the same standards as my transportation department holds me is a better solution?

Or fuck dem kidz they don’t need to play sportzball!



Just know this Miller Transportation, cost more then it cost to use our transportation.

The YMCA, contracted our transportation department to do their summer program. So they paid the county ( and our transportation department) a fee for our services, our transportation department made money, we didn't lose anything. The buses used were under warranty or getting ready to be retired and sold off.

And I'll use your jab "oh you know someone that runs the transportation department, and their spouse part time driver". See, just like the examples of the officers I know, like I pulled that out of my ass.

I do believe you know the transportation directior, so maybe you can get her to give you a crash course at being a school bus driver. Set up the obstacle course and let you drive that big ol' bus through it. Then imagine doing that with 60+ screaming kids, parents that treat you like shit and all you can do is smile.


I don't know how many hours their bus drivers get, or contracted for. But just imagine that where ever you work paid you ( the average is around $20.00 per hour ), but you only got to work 20 to 30 hours per week. That doing extra work is how you make money ( I'm sorry grift ).

I'll also ask you this, would you put your kid in a van with coach Joe, or someone that has training, and driving the safest vehicle on the road to transport children?

Oh, I'm dumb I rererereread the KRS and I don't see, where a child has to BE on the bus.... what about that first stop? Fuck that kid, if they make they make it?

Show me the case law also. I'm not being a smart ass I truly want to know.

I'm off to my next grift!

ARman

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We also had a wealthy family pay to have a shop class room built, the state made it as hard to do as possible,

It’s off topic a little, but what’s the root of that? Why would the state try to make it hard for someone to contribute?

Because they were afraid that that family would have some kind of advantage in "power" to force the school district to do what that family wished.

ARman

It depends. Yes for day trips. Longer ones parents should pay. The best avenue is the kids raise the money door to door or hitting up their parents.

Smart schools collect this money upfront when registering for the school year.

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Why is it that the taxpayer is always the one that “just doesn’t understand” or needs to “reread” this or that? I don’t. Pretty sure that others don’t.

The fact you believe that this waste in particular is alright because it’s “blade of grass” or some such garbage shows that you pretty much don’t care what taxpayers feel. Which is the same attitude I’ll hazard a guess exists within each district.

It’s shows either you just don’t get it, or you’re complicit because you don’t get the difference between private business and taxpayer funded ones.

What are you going to do about it? Seriously, you lead, I’ll follow.

I spent 7 summers auditing multiple school districts. I get it way more than most. I care as much as you do. Enough to bitch about it, but not enough to do something about it. Or maybe I care more, since one of my kids has ever risen a school bus one time and I paid $60 out of my pocket for that.

Take home vehicles make sense - especially in small departments.

(I grew up in a county which had 3 deputies and a sheriff as the only law enforcement.).

Take home vehicles being used for personal stuff should, rightfully and quite probably, cause some serious discipline issues.

Athletics should not be publicly funded. Certainly not to the extent that it is.

It’s hardly that businessmen fund them, as much as perverts who are obsessed with high school sports, are the same people who get active in politics - it’s the same social failing.

They failed to achieve the amount of power and recognition they wanted, in the market, and they failed to achieve their athletic dreams in sports.

College sports, to me, are different in that, TMK they are not taxpayer supported, particularly.

As far as kids taking school trips, etc…. I disagree with all forms of public education/think tax credits or vouchers would be a better system - but if art is a class, and they go to an art museum, etc then it makes sense.

If there was a way to maintain order/separate out the animals, mandatory bussing might reduce traffic issues - but I understand why parents don’t want to put their kids in busses/may not have the time to wait for that.

Some kind of private contract mini bus system may be far more efficient.

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I disagree with all forms of public education/think tax credits or vouchers would be a better system -

Yeah, me too. I think education is the primary responsibility of parents. It's NOT the responsibility of government. Government does a horrible job of educating. Worse yet, government provides propaganda and indoctrination in favor of bigger, more intrusive and expensive government. It's socialism and it's a bad idea whose time has come and gone.

To directly answer the question: NO, taxpayers should NOT be on the hook for school trips!

Just something to think about and it’s probably changed, but of the districts we audited; payroll was over 80% of the districts’ budgets.

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No again, and this thread is entertaining.

I guess the idea of public schools was a good idea when when first conceived, but like everything, it has gotten out of control. Just like our taxes. Everything starts out small then gets bloated to the point where it becomes near impossible to fix.

Public schools should provide education and nothing else with tax dollars. Anything extra should be paid for by the people who want it. You don’t have the money for it? Too bad.

I know a girl with some developmental issues and she graduated high school and cannot read and write. How in the world is she going to survive in this world without the ability to read and write? Yes, she has the ability to learn (she found a way to sign up for porn sites so she can read and write for things she wants to do) but the school does not see that as important.

I feel no sympathy. I should not pay for other people’s kids to have fun. They aren’t even being educated right but all the extra garbage has been added over the years, most at the taxpayers expense.

I just learned today that SCOTUS ruled back in 1982 in Plyler v. Doe that illegals have to be allowed to attend public school. Therefore, in addition to funding school trips, taxpayers are on the hook for schooling illegals.

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taxpayers are on the hook for schooling illegals.

Which costs even more, often as a result of the language barrier.