[QUOTE]Originally posted by 12131:
^^^ How did that work out with Fentanyl?[/QUOTE

With physician prescribed fentanyl, overdose is rare - primarily because children have accidental access to fentanyl patches prescribed for acute pain.

As an illegal adulterant to other drugs, including heroin and cocaine, the reported incidence is over 80,000! (CDC)

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
How is this different than what Portland has been doing which has been a disaster to their economy and their normal people?

How is this drug store option different than the marijuana dispensaries and there is still organized crime and cartels selling marijuana in those states? In fact, by most acccounts the legal stores have emboldened the illegal trade.

Please provide a reference…

Make it a perk of homeless voluntarily relocating to the camps in the desert.

Pair it with the death penalty for all levels of dealing and importing anywhere else.

Some people are fucking idiots at decision making.

Making war on inanimate objects is idiotic.

Guns, drugs, whatever. Stop the effing moronic sh*t talk.

Alleviate the drugs by alleviating the user, it's just that simple.

The simple truth is that drugs generate more money than anything that the United States has to offer.

Make drugs disappear and our country is financially in a tailspin.

Delusion is a way of life.

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I’m not interested in paying for someone’s drug use. It’s not about the money either. I don’t want to pay for someone’s prostitute either. If you want to establish free drugs for users, get Bill Gates or Bezos to pay for it. They’re depopulationists. The idea should be appealing to them. Legalizing drugs will prove to be a mistake and likely impossible to reverse. This next statement is not a swipe at the OP, but my eldest son’s lifestyle choices exposed me to people I wouldn’t normally speak to. Without exception, those who have advocated legalizing drugs to me were all users themselves. Potheads were evangelistic in their rationalization and follow a script like the sovereign citizen movement. They cannot be moved from the object of their desire. I’m too old to care anymore. The drug culture has done its damage to my family in spite of my Sisyphean sacrifice to the contrary. It is obvious to me that some in society cannot or will not learn from consequences others suffer. They must suffer themselves. If they didn’t have loved ones who suffer even more and longer, it would almost be victimless.

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Originally posted by tleddy:
The decriminalization experiments mentioned were missing the most important leg of the program; provision of no-cost drugs.

More free shit for the free shit army!

International, the key word here.

Unless all nations get Onboard with free drugs for all and there’s a profit to be made someone somewhere will be there to reap it profits. Just because they are free here doesn’t mean that no one will set up a lab here to export to the other countries that don’t subscribe to the free drugs for all mantra.

I totally believe unlimited free drugs will lower OD's.

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Originally posted by sreding:
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I'm not saying that legalization is the answer (although my feelings on the topic are close to that), but what we're doing has failed horribly and we keep throwing money and the lives of law enforcement down that hole for no logical reason other than 'Drugs are bad'.

I'm more than willing to keep throwing my life down that hole if it means protecting my community from the intoxicated shenanigans of addicts and drunks. That's what I signed up to do, and I don't expect those people to change. I'm happy when they do, and I have seen some success stories and those make my day. But I'm also a realist and know that most won't.

What frustrates me is not the drunks and the druggies but the liberal hug-a-thug courts (who are a byproduct of our society) that aren't willing to lock anybody up or hold them accountable and just keep throwing them back out on the streets to re-offend and victimize people over and over and over again. That's what makes my job feel like a waste of time and effort.

My primary goal is to protect the public from these people. If I can help a junkie stop being a junkie in the process, that's awesome and a better long-term solution for everybody, but you have to be realistic and realize that that's not going to happen with the vast majority of them. And the solution to that majority is to lock them up somewhere so that they can't victimize everybody else, and have somebody else make their decisions for them because they're not adult enough to do it on their own.

The justice system needs to prioritize the safety of the public, and stop trying to be a rehab service. I'm all for making those programs available to those who are willing to put in the effort to benefit from them, but ultimately the priority needs to be enforcing the law and punishing crime.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I totally believe unlimited free drugs will lower OD's.

But but, the all benevolent government will control how much you can receive, proper dosages and all, so ODs will surely be minimized.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I totally believe unlimited free drugs will lower OD's.

But but, the all benevolent government will control how much you can receive, proper dosages and all, so ODs will surely be minimized.

No doubt. And who's going to pay out on the lawsuit when one of them ODs on their free government dope and dies? And don't think it won't happen...the jail gets sued when one of them smuggles it in up their butthole, despite they're actively trying to prevent it. How much more culpable is a program going to be that's handing it out for free?

I dealt with quite a few addicts. The predominate experience for them was misery. They were miserable, in poor health and had only one goal. The next high. And how to get it. And the misery? Its contagious! It spreads to everyone the addict is close to. Family. Friends. Communities.
So... lets have more misery. Spread it around and make it available to everyone!

Unless we're giving it away free in hopes they all OD, what does this gain us? 40-70% more addicts with a much cheaper drug habit?

Kind of a wash isn't it? What's better, 5 addicts with a $100 habit or 15 addicts with a $25 habit?

Involving government is a poison pill. Think of all of the corruption uncovered recently by DOGE. Heard of the magic money scandal? It’s essentially digital counterfeiting by bureaucrats. And we want to involve government in something as volatile as recreational drugs? Holy F in a jacuzzi. I can’t even imagine how sideways this would go.

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Thanks. I needed the laugh.

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Originally posted by tleddy:

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
How is this different than what Portland has been doing which has been a disaster to their economy and their normal people?

How is this drug store option different than the marijuana dispensaries and there is still organized crime and cartels selling marijuana in those states? In fact, by most acccounts the legal stores have emboldened the illegal trade.

Please provide a reference…

Both of mine are widely publicized issues so hundreds and hundreds of articles. Mainly a law enforcement issue, but I did find one pubmed article.

Portland:

PBS on Oregon recriminalizing drugs (i.e. undoes Measure 10)

Measure 110 increases overdoses 23%

Cartels/Organized crime and legalized marijuana:

NBC Article

DOJ article on convicting Chinese nations for black market marijuana

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Tatortod-

Thank you for the references.

I am not surprised at all by the increase in overdoses!

There was no change in the illegal supply line with the concomitant adulteration of drugs, primarily with fentanyl. In fact, I am surprised that it was not far worse!

Any system that does not control the quality of the product is doomed to fail.

Singapore controls illegal drugs effectively.

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Originally posted by Appliance Brad:
Montecristo #2’s and Elmer T. Lee are my drugs of choice. Can I arrange my free pickup for Tuesdays? I’d prefer an afternoon time as well. Thanks

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