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Is it a good time to increase government by 13%?: Massive spending increases in $1.3-trillion budget bill

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March 22, 2018, 11:49 AM
chellim1
Is it a good time to increase government by 13%?: Massive spending increases in $1.3-trillion budget bill
Massive spending increases in $1.3-trillion budget bill

House negotiators worked far into the night last night before agreeing on a 2,232-page, $1.3-trillion omnibus spending bill that vastly increases domestic and military spending while denying the president much of his border wall money and leaving the DREAMers in limbo.

Congress must pass a budget bill by tomorrow or risk a partial government shutdown. House Republican leadership says Trump has signed off on the legislation, despite the huge increases and less than expected money for the wall.

Associated Press:

Leaders still hoped to start voting as soon as Thursday. A stopgap measure may be needed to ensure federal offices aren't hit with a partial shutdown at midnight Friday when funding for the government expires.

Negotiators have been working for days – and nights – on details of the bill, which is widely viewed as the last major piece of legislation likely to move through Congress in this election year. Lawmakers in both parties sought to attach their top priorities.

Two of the biggest remaining issues had been border wall funds and a legislative response to gun violence after the clamor for action following recent school shootings, including the one in Parkland, Florida.

On guns, leaders tentatively agreed to tuck in bipartisan provisions to bolster school safety funds and improve compliance with the criminal background check system for firearm purchases. The bill states that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention can do research on gun violence, though not advocacy, an idea Democrats pushed.

But there was no resolution for Dreamers, the young immigrants [sic] who have been living in the United States illegally since childhood, but whose deportation protections are being challenged in court after Trump tried to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, or DACA.

Lou Dobbs spoke for many when he called GOP lawmakers "lazy" and "deceitful":

Despite what Dobbs says, it's not just the establishment Republicans who are giving in. They may be largely responsible for this travesty. But conservatives appear not to want to rock the boat and get blamed for a shutdown.

There's a chance enough House Republicans will refuse to vote for this mess. Democrats are already making noises about the lack of resolution for the DREAMer issue. Unless 30-35 Democrats can be convinced to vote for the bill, it will be back to the drawing board. Passage is by no means certain.

Budget deficits don't matter. The debt doesn't matter. Responsible governance doesn't matter. And they wonder why we hate Washington?

https://www.americanthinker.co...ion_budget_bill.html



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
March 22, 2018, 11:50 AM
wcb6092
It will all be good until one day when it won't.


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March 22, 2018, 11:54 AM
chellim1
If this passes... I hope Trump vetoes it:
Mad

House Votes On $1.3 Trillion Omnibus Spending Bill

House Republicans confirmed to CNN on Thursday that they will begin voting on the 2,000 page omnibus spending bill at 12:30 pm. The voting should be concluded by 1 pm.

With House Freedom Caucus Leader Mark Meadows opposing the bill after tentatively embracing the deal last night, Republican leaders struck a last-minute deal with Democrats to win their support for a procedural vote that would allow them to proceed to the final vote.



- Record spending levels
- No wall/border security
- Obamacare intact
- Funds Planned Parenthood
- Sanctuary Cities funded
- Barely 24 hours to read a 2,300 page bill

This Omnibus is so far from what the forgotten men and women of America voted for. I will oppose it.
— Mark Meadows (@RepMarkMeadows) March 22, 2018



Steny Hoyer, the No. 2 Democrat in the House, managed to squeeze some notable concessions from Republicans at the last minute. Chief among them: A "queen of the Hill" rule on immigration, meaning that GOP leaders would agree to bring up several immigration measures and the one that gets the most votes would prevail.

OMB Director Mick Mulvaney told reporters Trump will sign the omnibus bill - assuming it does, in fact, pass.

As we pointed out last night when the tentative deal was reached, the bill includes notable concessions from Republicans on their border-security package, which allocates funding for a border fence, but not the wall Trump had envisioned. This bothered Trump, prompting him to nearly withdraw his support.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news...mnibus-spending-bill



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
March 22, 2018, 12:00 PM
Balzé Halzé
Unreal. We are out of control.


~Alan

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March 22, 2018, 12:07 PM
chellim1
Laura Ingraham on Trump’s Insane Spending Bill, Why would he even think of signing it?

Laura Ingraham said President Trump is appearing to consent to the passage of a $1.3 trillion omnibus spending bill championed by GOP leadership.

The bill, more than two thousand pages long, is up for debate this week ahead of a government funding deadline.

Ingraham said the Republicans are combining with Democrats and consider the huge bill "business as usual" on Capitol Hill, in opposition to the principles Trump pushed as a candidate.

A small fraction of the bill is devoted to border security, while Planned Parenthood and sanctuary cities continue to be funded.

"[Trump] won [by] calling out the establishment," Ingraham said. "Where did 'that' Donald Trump go?"

Ingraham said the spending bill is forcing America to further borrow money from Germany, China and Japan.

"Take this opportunity tonight to challenge the GOP leadership," Ingraham said.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
March 22, 2018, 12:09 PM
kz1000
Time to cut up the fucking credit card. Mad


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-Bomber Harris
March 22, 2018, 12:11 PM
TMats
This is a budget that covers the remainder of the fiscal year. Six months through the end of September. Unfuckingbeleevabul

Oh, among other things, it includes continuing to fund a powerful arm of the Democrat Party—Planned Parenthood to the tune of $500 billion dollars/year


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despite them
March 22, 2018, 12:13 PM
Yanert98
This chaos MUST STOP.

But I have no faith they will.


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March 22, 2018, 12:17 PM
Balzé Halzé
quote:
Originally posted by TMats:

Oh, among other things, it includes continuing to fund a powerful arm of the Democrat Party—Planned Parenthood to the tune of $500 billion dollars/year


Wait. What!? $500 Billion?


~Alan

Acta Non Verba
NRA Life Member (Patron)
God, Family, Guns, Country

Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan

"Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle
March 22, 2018, 12:19 PM
12131
And folks continue to send these effing assholes back to Congress. Roll Eyes


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March 22, 2018, 12:24 PM
Jimineer
Who needs democrats when you have republican traitors like we have today.
March 22, 2018, 12:26 PM
reloader-1
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by TMats:

Oh, among other things, it includes continuing to fund a powerful arm of the Democrat Party—Planned Parenthood to the tune of $500 billion dollars/year


Wait. What!? $500 Billion?


The bill is $1.3 trillion, $500 billion would represent ~40% of the US Budget.

Although this bill is madness, it isn’t THAT unhinged.
March 22, 2018, 12:27 PM
esdunbar
This won't stop at all. I've stopped expecting it to and getting upset about it.

My focus for the last several years has been preparing myself and my family for when this all comes home to roost.

No, I'm not stocking up on canned food and ammo. I don't think that's how you be prepared. I'm preparing by eliminating debt and saving up my cash.

Look at Detroit. That place was a ghost town a few years ago. Detroit has 6 billionaires in it. Those 6 guys have bought up a huge percentage of the city and are now developing it. They're going to make a killing.

That's my plan on a much smaller scale. Houses will be upside down, they won't be able to sell cars, people will be in debt and loosing their jobs, credit will be next to impossible to get...you get the idea.

that's when I'll be buying with cash and building my holdings. When the shitshow eventually corrects itself, I'll be sitting on a small empire all paid for in cash with pennies on the dollar.

Just a hunch, but that's my "prepping effort."
March 22, 2018, 12:27 PM
TMats
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by TMats:

Oh, among other things, it includes continuing to fund a powerful arm of the Democrat Party—Planned Parenthood to the tune of $500 billion dollars/year


Wait. What!? $500 Billion?
Sorry Alan, that should read “$500 million. Not insubstantial, half-a-billion dollars.


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despite them
March 22, 2018, 12:31 PM
reloader-1
quote:
Originally posted by TMats:
Sorry Alan, that should read “$500 million. Not insubstantial, half-a-billion dollars.


My apologies, TMats - I thought Alan had quoted the news article and I was not polite. I have edited my post. Smile
March 22, 2018, 12:37 PM
Scoutmaster
quote:
Originally posted by wcb6092:
It will all be good until one day when it won't.


I think that sums it up.

There will be some routine turbulence as we go, but I think there is a debt/unfunded liability tsunami headed in our direction.




"Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it"
- Judge Learned Hand, May 1944
March 22, 2018, 12:41 PM
Balzé Halzé
quote:
Originally posted by TMats:
quote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
quote:
Originally posted by TMats:

Oh, among other things, it includes continuing to fund a powerful arm of the Democrat Party—Planned Parenthood to the tune of $500 billion dollars/year


Wait. What!? $500 Billion?
Sorry Alan, that should read “$500 million. Not insubstantial, half-a-billion dollars.


No it's not. That's still insanity.


~Alan

Acta Non Verba
NRA Life Member (Patron)
God, Family, Guns, Country

Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan

"Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle
March 22, 2018, 12:53 PM
chellim1
SWAMP Wins: House Passes Omnibus

Congress has completely and totally abdicated its responsibilities in utilizing the power of the purse. It has allowed career politicians and lobbyists to completely cave on any sense of fiscal responsibility and throw at the American public an abomination of a spending bill that does nothing the Republicans who are supposedly in power claimed they would do.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
March 22, 2018, 01:01 PM
braillediver
It's beyond hope or any ability to be resolved.


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March 22, 2018, 02:22 PM
nhtagmember
I smell a VETO in the offing

what were they thinking?

oh, thats right, they weren't thinking...



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