September 12, 2023, 02:38 PM
maxdogCannot locate FBI crime stat tables after 2019 on net
2019 FBI Table 43 on crime stats shows arrests by race and crime in US (UCR.FBI.Gov) and is available as are previous years.
I can find none after 2019. There is some discussion about the format being changed but I can find nothing with similar info in indexed tables.
I’m aware of previous discussions of inaccuracy of FBI stats here and elsewhere. Did FBI/Justice cease publishing this info in similar format?
I once also found table showing stats showing murder stats with breakdown of Afro Amer killed by white, and vice versa as well as other racial stats showing same by Hispanic, Asian, others etc. in an index or table.
Cannot find it either.
Am I missing something? Looking in wrong places or using faulty search procedures?
Did Justice dept choose to obscure and censor these easy to read tables because on basis of them being prejudicial?
Where could I find this info?
I searched Sigforum and didn’t see anything dealing with this issue. I found some discussion re FBI stats being incorrect. Sorry if I missed it.
September 12, 2023, 02:50 PM
nhtagmemberMost likely they don’t want to publish those stats as it would simply prove how ineffective and incompetent they are.
September 12, 2023, 03:27 PM
Fly-Sigquote:
Originally posted by maxdog:
Did Justice dept choose to obscure and censor these easy to read tables because on basis of them being prejudicial?
Idk the answer but I have personally seen how the fedgov either removes data or presents in a way to give a false understanding. One was crime data in National Parks back when I was running a website promoting the legalization of defensive firearms in the parks. The other is airline and aircraft safety data related to accidents and incidents.
These days I presume intentional acts on the part of government rather than their incompetence or my own error in finding the information.
"Everything is a psyop until proven otherwise" is a pretty good philosophy these days.
September 12, 2023, 03:33 PM
maxdogSeems blatant to me and vey obvious.
September 12, 2023, 03:36 PM
parabellumThe stats for the year 2020 would have become available in 2021, and President Two Scoops took office in January of that year.
They can't be letting the truth get out- the truth of who is committing the violent crime in this country.
September 12, 2023, 03:42 PM
Skull LeaderNate the Lawyer on YT released a video today talking about how the FBI fudges the numbers. He was saying that another entity that tracks these same figures found that 60% of mass shootings are stopped by a good guy with a gun.
September 12, 2023, 06:07 PM
StorminNorminMy guess is their excuse is it is due to the switch from UCR reporting to the new National Incident-Based Reporting System (NIBRS). From what I know, the FBI started only accepting data in 2021 via NIBRS and many agencies are not setup to report their data that way so the FBI has incomplete data. They probably aren’t wanting to report what data they do have because it can’t be compared to prior years.
If this is indeed the reason, I think they should still publish the data they do have and explain which jurisdictions are not contributing to the data and that it is not complete.
I do have to say the timing of this is suspicious as is to just not report ANYTHING.
ETA: I am on my iPad right now so I can’t download and open these reports. Try here:
https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/# and see if this has what you are looking for. The fourth section down in “Documents and Downloads” is called “ Crime in the United States Annual Reports” and has 2020, 2021, and 2022 reports. See if this is it.
September 12, 2023, 08:58 PM
a1abdjMaybe they're embarrassed with the sudden uptick in the numbers due to their own involvement.
September 13, 2023, 01:54 AM
maxdogThanks Norman. Some info is there but at first glance not in the easy to read tables. I’ll continue.
September 13, 2023, 05:07 PM
StorminNorminquote:
Originally posted by maxdog:
Thanks Norman. Some info is there but at first glance not in the easy to read tables. I’ll continue.
Next time I log into the FBI LE portal I will check to see if there is also anything there. I wouldn’t think so as it is public information and should be readily available. I tried to log in yesterday and got through the first step, but they have YET AGAIN changed their secondary verification methods and I will have to call their help desk to get it fixed for me.