Island Mentality at its best

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Originally posted by kidcop:
I don't see the issue with outlawing a carcinogen that has no beneficial use whatsoever.

No of course you wouldn't.

God forbid an adult wants to enjoy a good cigar or a pipe without some busy body asshole in government wagging his finger at him. Fuck that noise.

It sounds to me like some criminal syndicates just found a new product line.

Yeah, we weren't supposed to buy them when we were under 18 either, but somehow every kid in high school found a way...

I guess the idea of men and women free to make their own choices regardless of what other think is just a silly, old, anachronistic idea.

I wonder which thing American leftists will bring to our country first - Australian "COVID" internment camps or New Zealands stupid tobacco law? Regards 18DAI

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Originally posted by kidcop:
I don't see the issue with outlawing a carcinogen that has no beneficial use whatsoever.

Necessary to treat nicotine deficiencies in certain people… I.e. tobacco users who enjoy it. Might as well prohibit alcohol, social media and television along with anything else deemed “useless”.

We’ve banned heroin… How well is that working out? Would you start using it tomorrow if it was legal?

Personal choice is important.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
Yeah, we weren't supposed to buy them when we were under 18 either, but somehow every kid in high school found a way...

Not EVERY kid. Some of us were smart enough to never try even one. (My parents both smoked and I grew up hating everything about smoking.)

That being said, I don't think this will work out the way the Kiwis think it will. Prohibitions have a history of failing. I think showing photos to young girls of what females in their 50s look like after smoking for 35 years (lots of wrinkles) might be more helpful.

flashguy

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Originally posted by SIGnified:

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Originally posted by kidcop:
I don't see the issue with outlawing a carcinogen that has no beneficial use whatsoever.

Necessary to treat nicotine deficiencies in certain people… I.e. tobacco users who enjoy it. Might as well prohibit alcohol, social media and television along with anything else deemed “useless”.

We’ve banned heroin… How well is that working out? Would you start using it tomorrow if it was legal?

Personal choice is important.

Ask a heroin addict how well its working out for them.

Social media and TV have positive uses, so that's a false analogy. Alcohol in its pure form has medical and disinfecting utility, which is hardly useless.

Personal choice is important, but people still make stupid decisions.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by kidcop:
I don't see the issue with outlawing a carcinogen that has no beneficial use whatsoever.

No of course you wouldn't.

God forbid an adult wants to enjoy a good cigar or a pipe without some busy body asshole in government wagging his finger at him. Fuck that noise.

And fuck addiction and mouth and neck cancer while you're at it.

Asbestos makes great insulation. Maybe you'd like it back?

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Originally posted by kidcop:

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Originally posted by SIGnified:

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Originally posted by kidcop:
I don't see the issue with outlawing a carcinogen that has no beneficial use whatsoever.

Necessary to treat nicotine deficiencies in certain people… I.e. tobacco users who enjoy it. Might as well prohibit alcohol, social media and television along with anything else deemed “useless”.

We’ve banned heroin… How well is that working out? Would you start using it tomorrow if it was legal?

Personal choice is important.

Ask a heroin addict how well its working out for them.

Social media and TV have positive uses, so that's a false analogy. Alcohol in its pure form has medical and disinfecting utility, which is hardly useless.

Personal choice is important, but people still make stupid decisions.

I know many addicts; Some alive, some dead and some family. Some are sober and some are not. Do you really want to go down this path?

If you knew anything about addiction, you would realize it has nothing to do brains, or as you say… Stupidity. That’s just plain room temperature tapwater IQ level ignorant.

Isopropyl alcohol and methyl alcohol work fine for your uses without have any to create ethyl alcohol to drink.

Would you start using heroin tomorrow if it was legal?

I wholeheartedly disagree about social media and television. They’ve replaced critical thinking in the majority of people.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
Yeah, we weren't supposed to buy them when we were under 18 either, but somehow every kid in high school found a way...

I did, before I could drive. And have paid the price with multiple bouts of cancer. If someone had told me when I was 15 that bladder cancer is directly linked with smoking and involves having a fiber optic camera run through your penis, up your urethra and into your bladder every several months without benefit of anesthetics I might, repeat might have thought twice about it.

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Newsflash: we’re all gonna die

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Originally posted by kidcop:

Asbestos makes great insulation. Maybe you'd like it back?

Asbestos? That's your retort? I swear, the notion of individual freedom and choice must actually cause you physical pain.

The road to hell....we're cruising down it when those in charge start thinking that they can make people better by passing laws or banning those things they deem bad. Maybe you want to live on top, Cocteau's way...what he wants, when he wants, how he wants. Me? I'll take the other option.

I wonder how this law will hold up to New Zealand's judicial review. It seems discriminatory, in that it applies to some people but not others.

Why not just ban the production, import or sale of tobacco outright? If you are going to criminalize it, then just criminalize it.

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
Newsflash: we’re all gonna die

Some quicker than others, of self inflicted illnesses.

But hey, personal freedom.

The problem is where does it end. I’m sure their angle is on healthcare costs. So then you have to go after everything. No fast food, sugary drinks etc.

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Originally posted by 83v45magna:
Decades ago, I would have been certain that the Australians and New Zealanders would have been the last to go this way.

Not at all sure why I thought that.

Like most people, your views of Australia and by extension New Zealand were formed by watching Crocodile Dundee and Steve Irwin. But that isn't a true picture of either country.

While Australia is just as big as the United States if not larger, most of the country is not habitable because there is no water. Most of the country's 25 million residents are clustered in large cities along the coasts.

Any time you bring large populations of people together they demand services and elect politicians who promise to deliver those services. Those politicians realize that they need to maintain control of the population in order to keep their jobs. So the enact legislation that allows them to do that.

The politicians realize they are dependent on the population for their jobs so they make the population dependent on the government that the politicians control.

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Originally posted by kidcop:

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Originally posted by SIGnified:
Newsflash: we’re all gonna die

Some quicker than others, of self inflicted illnesses.

But hey, personal freedom.

You never answered my question about using heroin if it was legal? Would you? You imply that everybody else would, because … why?

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Originally posted by kidcop:

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
Yeah, we weren't supposed to buy them when we were under 18 either, but somehow every kid in high school found a way...

I did, before I could drive. And have paid the price with multiple bouts of cancer. If someone had told me when I was 15 that bladder cancer is directly linked with smoking and involves having a fiber optic camera run through your penis, up your urethra and into your bladder every several months without benefit of anesthetics I might, repeat might have thought twice about it.

So, you’re saying you had no idea smoking was bad for your health when you started? I’m 64 and it was pretty common knowledge when I was a kid.