https://www.miamiherald.com/ne...rticle267817152.html

‘Brutal’ attack on pregnant woman at Publix ends when witness pulls gun, Florida cops say BY TANASIA KENNEY UPDATED OCTOBER 25, 2022 11:25 AM

Miami Herald, sorry.

"A bystander drew his gun on a man accused of beating and stomping on his pregnant girlfriend outside a Publix super market, ending the “brutal” attack, Florida deputies say. The incident occurred around 5:15 p.m. Saturday, Oct. 22, in the parking lot of the Largo grocery store, according to an arrest affidavit. The woman told Pinellas County deputies that her boyfriend, Cole Danisment, 27, got angry and punched her in the face repeatedly. She fell to the ground, and Danisment is then accused of stomping on her head and upper body. The woman told deputies that Danisment knew she was 14 weeks pregnant with his unborn child. A man who witnessed the attack said he feared for the woman’s life, prompting him to intervene. Danisment didn’t stop brutalizing the woman until the witness pulled a gun on him, according to the affidavit.
Danisment was charged with aggravated domestic battery and booked into the Pinellas County Jail, where he remains held on a $20,000 bond as of Tuesday, Oct. 25, online records show. Largo is about 20 miles southwest of Tampa."

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"A good guy with a gun and a concealed carry license saw the attack in progress and intervened. Cops say when the boyfriend figured out he was about to meet his maker to answer for his sins, he behaved in a more civilized manner until police arrived and applied a complimentary set of bracelets to the baby daddy."

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I think I would have shot him.

Not being a internet tough guy, just too old to tangle with a 27 year old guy who is so angry that after he beats his girlfriend to the ground he stomps on her. I could not have ignored it and walked by, and once i decided that her life was in danger there is only one outcome. Trying to hold someone at gun point has it’s own dangers.

Fortunately, FL law is on our side.

Good for the bystander for getting involved, he may have saved her life and the baby's life.

There is no doubt in my mind that I would have shot to kill.

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Originally posted by Kept Bum:
There is no doubt in my mind that I would have shot to kill.

You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat. Death might be the end result of that shooting.

If he doesn't pose a threat to you and you shoot him, be prepared to be cuffed, stuffed and prosecuted.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
If he doesn't pose a threat to you and you shoot him, be prepared to be cuffed, stuffed and prosecuted.

Wrong.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
If he doesn't pose a threat to you and you shoot him, be prepared to be cuffed, stuffed and prosecuted.

Maybe in your state.

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Originally posted by Edmond:

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Originally posted by Kept Bum:
There is no doubt in my mind that I would have shot to kill.

You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat. Death might be the end result of that shooting.

This is a good point to bring up. Sometimes what you do is not as important as how you explain it.

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Originally posted by 71 TRUCK:
Good for the bystander for getting involved, he may have saved her life and the baby's life.

Unfortunately, the normal pattern would be for her to now say he really isn't a bad guy and I really do love him, and perhaps do whatever she can to thwart the prosecution.

Let us hope she leaves him for good.

This appears to be the guys Facebook page since the photo matches his mugshot.

Ignore his apparent inability to spell and give it a quick read and see if it provides any hints to his behavior.

Real classy guy.

https://www.facebook.com/cole.danisment.1

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Originally posted by SpinZone:

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
If he doesn't pose a threat to you and you shoot him, be prepared to be cuffed, stuffed and prosecuted.

Maybe in your state.

OKay, so maybe you're saying if he poses a threat to someone else, you can, but that's as far as it goes in any state.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
If he doesn't pose a threat to you and you shoot him, be prepared to be cuffed, stuffed and prosecuted.

Not in Arkansas. Arkansas law allows for the use of deadly force to defend yourself or another from imminent serious bodily injury or death.

This took place in Florida, and Florida's deadly force law is worded almost exactly the same:

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A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

Similarly, your own home state of Arizona's deadly force laws also include a section specifically allowing the use of deadly force in defense of another person:

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A person is justified in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force against another to protect a third person if:

1. Under the circumstances as a reasonable person would believe them to be, such person would be justified under section 13-404 or 13-405 in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force to protect himself against the unlawful physical force or deadly physical force a reasonable person would believe is threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and

2. A reasonable person would believe that such person’s intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person.

I'd recommend getting with a local concealed carry/self defense instructor to get a refresher on your state's laws.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
If he doesn't pose a threat to you and you shoot him, be prepared to be cuffed, stuffed and prosecuted.

Due to the laws in some states, that's why good people are afraid to intervene. You would have the government prosecuting you, the dirtbag family suing you in civil court, and the "victim" sides with him against you and refuses to cooperate in order to charge him.

I know the people here want to do the right thing and help others. But sometimes people are in a situation because they want to be.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:

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Originally posted by SpinZone:

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
If he doesn't pose a threat to you and you shoot him, be prepared to be cuffed, stuffed and prosecuted.

Maybe in your state.

OKay, so maybe you're saying if he poses a threat to someone else, you can, but that's as far as it goes in any state.

Wrong again. Texas code:

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY.

A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

(A) to prevent the other’s imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

(3) he reasonably believes that:

(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

No way would I pull a pistol without taking control. I'd start barking orders such as to force him face down onto the ground, hands behind his head. If he doesn't comply, shoot him center mass until he does anyway. If he seems hopped up enough to ignore that, shoot him as close to the brain stem as I can manage until he is stopped.

As someone else said, waiting around or worse ignoring this is a non starter. Indifference to something like this is a worse path than any single assault charge. We have to take back our societal humanity in this country. And malcontents out there need to know it. Criminals need to fear the public. We got a long path to reestablishing the bluff that police departments had for so long.

I wonder if the backdrop were part of the hero’s decision making when not pulling the trigger.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
If he doesn't pose a threat to you and you shoot him, be prepared to be cuffed, stuffed and prosecuted.

Not in Arkansas. Arkansas law allows for the use of deadly force to defend yourself or another from imminent serious bodily injury or death.

This took place in Florida, and Florida's deadly force law is worded almost exactly the same:

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A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

Similarly, your own home state of Arizona's deadly force laws also include a section specifically allowing the use of deadly force in defense of another person:

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A person is justified in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force against another to protect a third person if:

1. Under the circumstances as a reasonable person would believe them to be, such person would be justified under section 13-404 or 13-405 in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force to protect himself against the unlawful physical force or deadly physical force a reasonable person would believe is threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and

2. A reasonable person would believe that such person’s intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person.

I'd recommend getting with a local concealed carry/self defense instructor to get a refresher on your state's laws.

Why? I already stated that in some states you can protect a 3rd person. I know we're one but I also know it's not true in all states. I also know that the instructors in the 2 different CC courses I attended here stated that you'd better be very sure before you intervene on others behalf. One of them was one of our most prominent and successful firearm lawyers.

Perhaps you'd better get a course in logic.

Just trying to show us how bright you are? You're failing.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
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I already stated that in some states you can protect a 3rd person. I know we're one but I also know it's not true in all states. I also know that the instructors in the 2 different CC courses I attended here stated that you'd better be very sure before you intervene on others behalf.

Can you give us an example of a state where a person can not use deadly force to protect a third person from death or great bodily injury?

As for being very sure before you intervene, that is excellent advice. Things are not always as they appear. For example, the person you are wanting to defend may have been the initial aggressor.