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Originally posted by 83v45magna:
No way would I pull a pistol without taking control. I'd start barking orders such as to force him face down onto the ground, hands behind his head. If he doesn't comply, shoot him center mass until he does anyway. If he seems hopped up enough to ignore that, shoot him as close to the brain stem as I can manage until he is stopped.

As someone else said, waiting around or worse ignoring this is a non starter. Indifference to something like this is a worse path than any single assault charge. We have to take back our societal humanity in this country. And malcontents out there need to know it. Criminals need to fear the public. We got a long path to reestablishing the bluff that police departments had for so long.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
This appears to be the guys Facebook page since the photo matches his mugshot.

Ignore his apparent inability to spell and give it a quick read and see if it provides any hints to his behavior.

Real classy guy.

https://www.facebook.com/cole.danisment.1

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Originally posted by honestlou:

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
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I already stated that in some states you can protect a 3rd person. I know we're one but I also know it's not true in all states. I also know that the instructors in the 2 different CC courses I attended here stated that you'd better be very sure before you intervene on others behalf.

Can you give us an example of a state where a person can not use deadly force to protect a third person from death or great bodily injury?

As for being very sure before you intervene, that is excellent advice. Things are not always as they appear. For example, the person you are wanting to defend may have been the initial aggressor.

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Originally posted by SpinZone:

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Originally posted by 83v45magna:
No way would I pull a pistol without taking control. I'd start barking orders such as to force him face down onto the ground, hands behind his head. If he doesn't comply, shoot him center mass until he does anyway. If he seems hopped up enough to ignore that, shoot him as close to the brain stem as I can manage until he is stopped.

As someone else said, waiting around or worse ignoring this is a non starter. Indifference to something like this is a worse path than any single assault charge. We have to take back our societal humanity in this country. And malcontents out there need to know it. Criminals need to fear the public. We got a long path to reestablishing the bluff that police departments had for so long.

We disagree in the fundamental. I am not required or expected to try and defuse the situation and I sure as hell am not going to put myself in danger by trying to fix a domestic violence issue. In the OP, there is reason to believe that the girlfriend may reasonably suffer bodily injury or death. If I decide to draw my gun it will to shoot the boyfriend until he is no longer a threat to her (For you Edmond).

I look at drawing my gun as a binary situation.
Do I need to use my gun?
No; then leave it alone.
Yes;Then pull it out and shoot it.

Of course if you draw and the situation changes before you shoot, you continually update your evaluation of the situation and act accordingly.

I will leave being a cop to those who are trained to do it. Trying to control a situation while holding someone at gunpoint is dangerous even for someone trained to do it.

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Originally posted by Edmond:

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Originally posted by Kept Bum:
There is no doubt in my mind that I would have shot to kill.

You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat. Death might be the end result of that shooting.

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Telling yourself you are just "stopping the threat" is dishonest.

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Originally posted by wrightd:
NYC, NJ, CA to name a few. Hell in NYC if you defend yourself you go to jail, so how in the hell you won't end up in the pokey for defending someone else if you can't even defend yourself ? Many places in the USA it's illegal, for all practical purposes, though not technically illegal, to defend yourself against unlawful lethal force. When nasty human beings take positions of power, all sorts of ugly stuff becomes normalized and defended, and the good people suffer. Elections have consequences.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:

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Originally posted by Edmond:

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Originally posted by Kept Bum:
There is no doubt in my mind that I would have shot to kill.

You don't shoot to kill, you shoot to stop the threat. Death might be the end result of that shooting.

You know damned well what happens when you send several projectiles at 1000+ fps at someones vital organs. Telling yourself you are just "stopping the threat" is dishonest.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
If he doesn't pose a threat to you and you shoot him, be prepared to be cuffed, stuffed and prosecuted.

Not in Arkansas. Arkansas law allows for the use of deadly force to defend yourself or another from imminent serious bodily injury or death.

This took place in Florida, and Florida's deadly force law is worded almost exactly the same:

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A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force if he or she reasonably believes that using or threatening to use such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.

Similarly, your own home state of Arizona's deadly force laws also include a section specifically allowing the use of deadly force in defense of another person:

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A person is justified in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force against another to protect a third person if:

1. Under the circumstances as a reasonable person would believe them to be, such person would be justified under section 13-404 or 13-405 in threatening or using physical force or deadly physical force to protect himself against the unlawful physical force or deadly physical force a reasonable person would believe is threatening the third person he seeks to protect; and

2. A reasonable person would believe that such person’s intervention is immediately necessary to protect the third person.

I'd recommend getting with a local concealed carry/self defense instructor to get a refresher on your state's laws.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
I’ve had friends get shot in combat who survived without permanent injuries. One of them even walked back to the COP while refusing a MEDEVAC.

People can get shot without dying. Even witnessed it too close and personal for my taste: Czech Soldier shot in the femur by a rifle. I even called the 9 line MEDEVAC for him, he lived.