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| Jack of All Trades, Master of Nothing  |
The strike, er walk out is planned to start on Thursday, April 26th. We received pre-recorded messages from our daughter's school that they will be closed starting Thursday until they can find 70% coverage for their classrooms. Not happy, I think the teachers are getting used just as much as the students in this. Their union has no strike fund to support striking teachers. One has to wonder where all the money spent on union dues has gone. Teachers claim to have widespread support but I feel this will change after the strike starts. Working parents are not going to be happy about the extra expenses and having to take time off with schools being closed. There's already a number of businesses that have started advertising for, "Day Camps" for students unable to go to class. Another implication is the timing of it being close to the end of the school year and the legislative session. Create a crisis, use others as proxy, spread fear about consequences if something is not done and refuse to compromise until all demands are met. There's a couple of financial implications that people are now starting to realize. Mandate of minimum 180 days in school to graduate or progress to the next grade. School districts are already talking about extending the school year for days missed during the strike. Families plan vacations around the school schedule. Who's going to be financially responsible for deposits on hotels, airline change fees etc. when families are forced to replan vacations for the longer school year. More serious is for graduating seniors having their graduation dates moved. There's all kinds of things such as venues being scheduled for graduations and the like. What's troublesome is for the direct implications on seniors. We have close family friends whose daughter graduates this spring and has a full ride academic scholarship. One of the requirements of her scholarship is that she graduates high school by a certain date. I have no idea of how flexible a college may be in a situation like this. So who's picking up the financial take for all of this. I'm not a fan of class action suits, but in this case I'd take an exception. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | ||
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| Muzzle flash aficionado  |
I think suing the teachers' union is in order. I am firmly of the opinion that any government workers (including teachers) CAN NOT STRIKE or walk out. I think any that do so should be immediately fired. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
Each day, more and more, it is becoming apparent to even the slowest kids on the bus that organized public education needs to go. Give parents vouchers, and let the private industry take over. As to the strike, I think Mr. Trump probable needs to channel his inner Reagan and treat them like air traffic controllers. | |||
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| And say my glory was I had such friends.  |
My lovely and vivacious wife, who left AZ’s teaching field two years ago, reminds me that AZ doesn’t have a “union” and only has an association. Her first hand experience is the association is in lock-step with the administration. She says the association reps which might get involved in any issues are first in line for promotion into upcoming admin positions. She left after eight years of no meaningful raises. When she would get a raise, it was matched by a corresponding increase in their insurance costs. She blames much of the problem on the school boards and administration. The state (governor) has offered a 20% increase over three years. But, only for the teachers and there is no guarantee the school boards turn the dollars into teacher raises. The group leading the teacher effort is pushing a governor candidate so there are lots of allegations the walkout has now morphed into a political fight. The walkout proponents are now saying nothing is being done for the bus drivers, secretaries, school nurses, etc. It will be an interesting couple of weeks. My wife said she would take the 20 percent and let the other was fight along side of the social services employees, the department of public safety employees and other state employees. Interesting times. "I don't shoot well, but I shoot often." - Pres. T. Roosevelt | |||
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Political Cynic |
well, bless their hearts fire them make Arizona the first state to put everyone into private schools as for the 'money' - with the taxes we pay, they'd be rolling in it if they didn't waste so much of it on the illegals they can suck it (full disclosure - never went to school in AZ, have no kids to put through the indoctrination mill) [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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| women dug his snuff and his gallant stroll |
Apparently the 20% raise proposed by the governor wasn’t good enough. Fire everyone who walks out. | |||
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| Corgis Rock |
"Their demands specify a 20% raise immediately next year. But that wouldn't even bring their pay up to the national average. At $47,403, the average Arizona teacher's salary has fallen more than 10% since 1999 when adjusted for inflation. The national average is currently $58,950. Meanwhile, Arizona teachers have had to kick in a larger portion of their pay to the pension fund. They contributed about 2.2% back in 1999 and now contribute 11.3% of their pay, according to data from the Arizona State Retirement System." Add in ongoing education, student loans, and such, it raise the question of how many people want to get into the profession. “ The work of destruction is quick, easy and exhilarating; the work of creation is slow, laborious and dull. | |||
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| Raised Hands Surround Us Three Nails To Protect Us  |
They strike out your way yet?? They have done 2 days here and by listening to the local talk radio they are gaining no fans. All of these strikes and walk outs are getting more of an annoyanace to everyday people. They are only hurting their cause anymore. Now with the new State School Board shake up and the new head guy is a proponent of charter schools the teachers union is really freaking out. Take decision making away from Central office is a fantastic idea as they got us into this mess they call public education anymore. But of of course they want to loose no power so they are fully against it. ———————————————— The world's not perfect, but it's not that bad. If we got each other, and that's all we have. I will be your brother, and I'll hold your hand. You should know I'll be there for you! | |||
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| Political Cynic |
they just might find out that we don't need them as much as they need us [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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| Staring back from the abyss  |
Fuck 'em. Bring in the scabs. ________________________________________________________ "Great danger lies in the notion that we can reason with evil." Doug Patton. | |||
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| I have not yet begun to procrastinate |
THIS! For years in FireFighting/Paramedic life I had to live with 1, 1.5 or 2% raises which didn't even keep up with rising prices. I had to work 12 months out of the year and didn't have summer off. THAT would have been sweet during 115 degree months. They don't have to worry about air conditioners falling on their heads, being smashed in traffic working a crash, being exposed to God Only Knows What (chemical/biological) on medical calls or being trapped without air in a burning building during their day to day work. The teachers can cry me a fooking river... -------- After the game, the King and the pawn go into the same box. | |||
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| Member |
The one common sense thing the union leadership advised when my (former) union was threatening strikes - in a right to work state: "You'll never make up for the money you'll lose during this strike, even if your financial demands are met" <>< America, Land of the Free - because of the Brave | |||
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You never hear about this working in right to work states that I know of. I wonder why Ga doesnt have more strikes.... Used guns deserve a home too | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
Yeah, I was wondering how long exactly before Little Andy files suit for the replacement of the board. They have had short protests here, but no full scale walk outs. I see both sides of it. I really do. I understand the issues. I used to married to a teacher for a lot of years. BUT...... They knew full well what the job paid when they entered into it. They knew what it would cost to get there. They are not alone in feeling the pinch of financial woes. Teachers are the only ones who get a guaranteed, fixed COLA rate each year. No one else in state government is promised one. Apparently, none of them are math teachers. 1.5 percent of nothing, is still nothing. And that's where we are headed if this mess doesn't get fixed. I'm about 14 months from looking at retiring. This is a huge concern to me. But, the teachers, most who seem as they can't think for themselves and they are puppets for the KEA, seem to be dead set to cut their nose off to spite their face. They are the typical "we need to do something, as long as that something is done to someone else in the retirement system and not us" instead of everyone equally. And I have had about enough with the teachers and the KEA. Their "Bevin hates teachers and kids" narrative is really getting old. And I am damn sure tired of Lil Andy. | |||
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This is happening in CO as well. I understand your salary may be on the lower side, but you chose that profession knowing the downside along with the benefits. You should not get to cancel school in order to do this. Unacceptable. You have a sig amount of off time in the Summer, do it then. War Eagle! | |||
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| Jack of All Trades, Master of Nothing |
Well, Arizona is a right to work state so we'll see what happens. My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | |||
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| Not your average kind of girl  |
Happened here in WV. They walked out till they got their way. All in all 9 days lost. Crazy stuff! If it won't matter in 5 years don't give it more than 5 minutes. | |||
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| Member |
Glad I am self employed and only have myself to blame if my financial needs are not met. Actions have consequences. | |||
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| Jack of All Trades, Master of Nothing |
My dream is that the state plays hardball, find individuals to teach as subs to fill in the gaps. I know I'd love to pick up a couple of teaching shifts on my days off. Good morning boys and girls, today's history lesson will be on Jack White, how he made strike busting profitable and its implications for the current situation... My daughter can deflate your daughter's soccer ball. | |||
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| Member |
Ues, we received the same message (PUSD?) and have many of the same concerns. One of the things I read online was that in one of the other areas where the teachers went on strike the crowd turned on them fairly quickly. It is easy to show support when the teachers are wearing red and carrying signs in front of the school but it is a whole diffent game when I have to cahnge my work schedule, vacation plans, etc because my kid(s) have no place to go. In my case, I have a 15 day vacation planned pretty much right at the end of the school year that will not be changing | |||
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