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California Outdoes Itself By Mandating Electric Trains
June 19, 2024, 07:06 AM
downtownvCalifornia Outdoes Itself By Mandating Electric Trains
California Outdoes Itself By Mandating Electric Trains That Do Not Exist
DAVID BLACKMON
Anytime you assume Gov. Gavin Newsom’s California state government has achieved peak regulatory insanity, rest assured you will soon find your assumption was mistaken. The latest example of the effort by state Democrats to force the Golden State into full energy collapse comes from the California Air Resources Board (CARB) which recently applied to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for a waiver under the Clean Air Act that would enable it to implement new regulations forcing the electrification of freight trains.
Just one problem: The electric trains CARB wishes force into action beginning in 2030 do not currently exist.
https://blackmon.substack.com/...rue&utm_medium=emailYou really can't make this stuff up!
June 19, 2024, 07:30 AM
229DAKWhen I was growing up in SoCal I had an electric American Flyer freight train - maybe that counts!
However, I wonder if that interferes with interstate commerce and somehow violates federal law?
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June 19, 2024, 07:36 AM
egregorequote:
California Outdoes Itself By Mandating Electric Trains
Read the article (what you can of it) and you'll see this is not actually the case. I'm sure somebody was nutty enough to have thought it up and even stupid enough to submit the waiver, but it will never happen in reality. There are freight trains so long that when they negotiate a
loop/spiral, they actually intersect themselves. It is completely unfeasible to have them electrified.
June 19, 2024, 09:39 AM
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June 19, 2024, 10:07 AM
Rey HRHFor me, nothing beats Newsom announcing all electric cars by 2030 something and the very next day, announcing that EV users should not charge their vehicles so as not to overload the grid. WTF.
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June 19, 2024, 10:34 AM
chellim1quote:
new regulations forcing the electrification of freight trains.
So California wants to end freight train delivery to California?
Cool!
Everything entering California will have to be trucked in, using even more energy and costing way more...
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-rduckwor June 19, 2024, 10:38 AM
shovelheadquote:
Originally posted by architect:
Buying Lionel stock....
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June 19, 2024, 10:47 AM
corsairAhhh, it's that time of year again: rolling blackouts and governmental insistence to electrify your life.
June 19, 2024, 10:54 AM
StarTravelerThe government of California is nuts, as we all know, but there may be an alternative to diesel on the horizon. CSX has been working with Canadian Pacific Kansas City (CPKC) to develop a hydrogen powered locomotive. The first is currently being tested and isn't proven yet, but as soon as the folks in California hear about it they'll mandate that it be used there in place of traditional diesel engines, whether it proves successful or not.
https://www.csx.com/index.cfm/...aboration-with-cpkc/
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June 19, 2024, 11:01 AM
chellim1quote:
The first is currently being tested and isn't proven yet, but as soon as the folks in California hear about it they'll mandate that it be used there in place of traditional diesel engines, whether it proves successful or not.
I hope the hydrogen powered locomotive is successful.
But your last sentence sums it up for the whackos in California...
California = mandates.
Buncha ignorant elitist commies making everyone's life worse and more difficult.
"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown
"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor June 19, 2024, 11:45 AM
tsmccullHO gauge could be the answer! Those were electric over 50 years ago.
June 19, 2024, 12:12 PM
AglifterI thought LNG would make sense on a train - TMK it’s cheaper than diesel per BTU, and I don’t think trains stay still much - but I have no railroad experience other than the type ran around the Christmas tree.
June 19, 2024, 02:15 PM
229DAKThere is no free lunch.
Where does the majority of H2 come from? Methane, CH4 - oops, there's that pesky carbon atom again. The by-product of H2 production from methane - CO2.
Linkquote:
Hydrogen gas is produced by several industrial methods. Nearly all of the world's current supply of hydrogen is created from fossil fuels. Most hydrogen is gray hydrogen made through steam methane reforming. In this process, hydrogen is produced from a chemical reaction between steam and methane, the main component of natural gas. Producing one ton of hydrogen through this process emits 6.6–9.3 tons of carbon dioxide. When carbon capture and storage is used to remove a large fraction of these emissions, the product is known as blue hydrogen.
Green hydrogen is usually understood to be produced from renewable electricity via electrolysis of water. Less frequently, definitions of green hydrogen include hydrogen produced from other low-emission sources such as biomass. Producing green hydrogen is currently more expensive than producing gray hydrogen, and the efficiency of energy conversion is inherently low. Other methods of hydrogen production include biomass gasification, methane pyrolysis, and extraction of underground hydrogen.
As of 2023, less than 1% of dedicated hydrogen production is low-carbon, i.e. blue hydrogen, green hydrogen, and hydrogen produced from biomass.
Kind of reminds me of the meme where the two trains are hauling mega coal cars and the caption says something about your EV fuel is on the way.
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June 19, 2024, 03:32 PM
ltz400The trains are already electric!
June 19, 2024, 03:51 PM
.38supersigYup.
I'm with you guys. I have some old Marklin Z scale trains.
Mine may have to make an extra trip.
June 19, 2024, 04:10 PM
Hamden106We should corner the market for warning signs
"Don't pee on the rails"
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June 19, 2024, 07:04 PM
sourdough44While we hamstring ourselves(CA in this case) the rest of the world attempts to march forward.
June 19, 2024, 07:40 PM
trapper189quote:
Originally posted by sourdough44:
While we hamstring ourselves(CA in this case) the rest of the world attempts to march forward.
True, 90% of India’s 42,800 miles of railway system is electric. China has 62,000 miles of electric rail, but that represents only 65% of their total of 96,000 miles of rail. The US has about 1,000 miles of electric rail out of 160,000 miles total, .6% electric rail miles.
Hydrogen is dead on arrival:
“It’s also extremely water-intensive. For example, generating enough hydrogen to replace the diesel at one BNSF facility would require 12-20 million gallons of water per day, equivalent to five percent of LA's residential water usage.“
LinkIndia and China are not using hydrogen.