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California Outdoes Itself By Mandating Electric Trains That Do Not Exist DAVID BLACKMON Anytime you assume Gov. Gavin Newsom’s California state government has achieved peak regulatory insanity, rest assured you will soon find your assumption was mistaken. The latest example of the effort by state Democrats to force the Golden State into full energy collapse comes from the California Air Resources Board (CARB) which recently applied to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) for a waiver under the Clean Air Act that would enable it to implement new regulations forcing the electrification of freight trains. Just one problem: The electric trains CARB wishes force into action beginning in 2030 do not currently exist. https://blackmon.substack.com/...rue&utm_medium=email You really can't make this stuff up! _________________________ | ||
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When I was growing up in SoCal I had an electric American Flyer freight train - maybe that counts!  However, I wonder if that interferes with interstate commerce and somehow violates federal law? _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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Read the article (what you can of it) and you'll see this is not actually the case. I'm sure somebody was nutty enough to have thought it up and even stupid enough to submit the waiver, but it will never happen in reality. There are freight trains so long that when they negotiate a loop/spiral, they actually intersect themselves. It is completely unfeasible to have them electrified. | |||
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For me, nothing beats Newsom announcing all electric cars by 2030 something and the very next day, announcing that EV users should not charge their vehicles so as not to overload the grid. WTF. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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So California wants to end freight train delivery to California? Cool!  Everything entering California will have to be trucked in, using even more energy and costing way more...  "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Ahhh, it's that time of year again: rolling blackouts and governmental insistence to electrify your life. | |||
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The government of California is nuts, as we all know, but there may be an alternative to diesel on the horizon. CSX has been working with Canadian Pacific Kansas City (CPKC) to develop a hydrogen powered locomotive. The first is currently being tested and isn't proven yet, but as soon as the folks in California hear about it they'll mandate that it be used there in place of traditional diesel engines, whether it proves successful or not. https://www.csx.com/index.cfm/...aboration-with-cpkc/ *** "Aut viam inveniam aut faciam (I will either find a way or make one)." -- Hannibal Barca | |||
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I hope the hydrogen powered locomotive is successful. But your last sentence sums it up for the whackos in California... California = mandates. Buncha ignorant elitist commies making everyone's life worse and more difficult. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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HO gauge could be the answer! Those were electric over 50 years ago. | |||
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I thought LNG would make sense on a train - TMK it’s cheaper than diesel per BTU, and I don’t think trains stay still much - but I have no railroad experience other than the type ran around the Christmas tree. | |||
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There is no free lunch. Where does the majority of H2 come from? Methane, CH4 - oops, there's that pesky carbon atom again. The by-product of H2 production from methane - CO2.  Link Kind of reminds me of the meme where the two trains are hauling mega coal cars and the caption says something about your EV fuel is on the way. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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The trains are already electric! | |||
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Yup. I'm with you guys. I have some old Marklin Z scale trains. Mine may have to make an extra trip. | |||
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We should corner the market for warning signs "Don't pee on the rails" SIGnature NRA Benefactor CMP Pistol Distinguished | |||
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While we hamstring ourselves(CA in this case) the rest of the world attempts to march forward. | |||
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True, 90% of India’s 42,800 miles of railway system is electric. China has 62,000 miles of electric rail, but that represents only 65% of their total of 96,000 miles of rail. The US has about 1,000 miles of electric rail out of 160,000 miles total, .6% electric rail miles. Hydrogen is dead on arrival: “It’s also extremely water-intensive. For example, generating enough hydrogen to replace the diesel at one BNSF facility would require 12-20 million gallons of water per day, equivalent to five percent of LA's residential water usage.“ Link India and China are not using hydrogen. | |||
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