What do you mean by "died on the job?" Growing up, I knew one Missouri State trooper who was murdered. I've know scads dying of heart attacks, industrial accidents, and especially farming accidents.

As far as deadly force and property goes, it depends on the property. If he's trying to steal a gun, I believe deadly force is in order as he is a threat to others. If he is robbing someone, of course deadly force is in order. Each situation is different.

The lethal force is used when the thief refuses to put the property down and vacate the premises. It's not over the property. It's over the poor decision making on the part of the thief. The thief has engineered a confrontation he's not prepared to survive.
Unfortunately, I have known people who have died from work related injuries.

Died at work? Does Vietnam count? If so, YES.

Known a few who have died "using works," but the only man I remember dying on the job was my next door neighbor growing up who dropped dead on the parade ground when practicing. From a heart attack while playing cornet in the Army band. This was in the mid-sixties.

For my generation, we lost men in 'Nam, to the heroin epidemic of the 70's, and then along came Aids. Pretty rough times. Not so many at work, though, as OSHA and industry safety groups were starting to have an impact on work rules and PPE. Things were much more lax back in the day, I remember hitch-hiking to Indianapolis from Ann Arbor in 1969 when I got a ride from a guy whose job it was to hang power cables on towers hundreds of feet in the air, he complained that his company had recently started "making" him wear a safety cord and harness that "got in his way too much." At the time I did not consider him foolish, but rather, brave.

I'm sure there are plenty of stats on the frequency of work-related injuries and deaths over time on the Internet somewhere, but my gut says that they dropped rapidly during the 50's and 60's to near where they are today.

Yes. Most specifically, when I was seventeen, I remember hearing about a co-worker's dad being killed while working in the woods.

In a town of less than 3000 it was big news.

Had a young man in my church who was a tree cutter and died on the job. I was 10-12 yo. He was probably 22. That’s the only one I can think of.

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
I don't know anyone who died at work, I think lethal force in defending one's own property is fine, rarely is it worth it for someone else's property and never for a businesses.

This is pretty much where I stand. There are always nuances to situations however, and I don't feel the least bit bad for someone who died committing a crime and then tripling down on stupidity afterwards. His choice to die for pocket change. It's a shitty choice.

Also piling on, bizarre poll and ambiguous thread title, I think the discussion is sufficient and you should have just referred to the news story in the title instead of being cryptic or clickbaity. Yes, I just made up that word.

So, firstly, my apologies for the word salad. I was trying to post on my iPhone.

Apparently, I cannot edit the initial post, without resetting everything.

My thought was this: I have an acquaintance who grew up, very wealthy, in a large urban center.

I have other friends who also grew up fairly comfortably, in suburbia.

They find the idea of ever killing over property, to be abhorrent, despite being conservative.

They also do not know anyone who died, while working.

I grew up, very, rural. I've been burying friends who were killed in farming accidents/military, etc since I was about 16.

I have my personal views about property theft/destruction, related to my faith.

I do NOT care what is done to a thief, by another person, unless it crosses the line into torture.

Money = Time = Your Life, is quite clear, when you have always known that men die, providing for their families.