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| The Ice Cream Man |
I think some of the attitude differences may come from how common it is, in your culture, to die making a living. | ||
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Legalize the Constitution |
This feels like two questions—unrelated. Do you know people who died on the job? Yes How do you feel about lethal force in defense of property? What’s that got to do with knowing people who died on the job? The answer is “no” to lethal force in defense of property. _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
^^^ Suspect it's the New Mexico security guard shooting of the shoplifter. He was shot and killed over a very small amount of money. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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| Drill Here, Drill Now |
In Texas, the deadly force statutes allow use of deadly force to protect own property and 3rd party property.
Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
What is the point of this poll? "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Alea iacta est |
Question 3 and 4 are essentially the same question,I.e., anyone vs people…
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Lethal force is justified to defend property and I did Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Optimistic Cynic |
Maybe this poll is more of reading comprehension test than exploring variations of moral states? WRT defense of property, it is pretty easy to imagine instances where loss of property leads immediately or eventually to physical harm, or other severe consequences. Most people, I think, who generally object would favor defense in these narrow instances. If that is, in fact, true, there can be no absolute moral position possible. | |||
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Don't Panic |
High school friend died not long after graduation (accident - UPS delivery driver). And IMO there are thefts too trivial to take a life over, even a dirtbag's. | |||
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| Smarter than the average bear |
I did not know anyone who died on the job. While I am amused by and somewhat happy at the fact that Texas allows lethal force to protect property, morally I do not think lethal force is justified other than to prevent death or great bodily injury. While we can never know for sure until it happens, I think I'd sleep just fine if I killed someone who was trying to kill me. I don't think I'd sleep well if I killed someone who was trying to steal something out of my yard. | |||
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A Grateful American |
Well, I've never been to Spain But I finally might be goin' I relayed that I'd be stayin' there In my short note to the Romans The 15th chapter, it comes right after The 14th chapter, mm hmm... -ApologetiX "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא עוד | |||
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Died on the job how? A heart attack is different than an industrial accident is different than an armed robbery. A much older coworker had a heart attack at work and died when I was a teenager. I don’t think that’s relevant to my feelings on using lethal force to retrieve property. | |||
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Honky Lips |
I don't know anyone who died at work, I think lethal force in defending one's own property is fine, rarely is it worth it for someone else's property and never for a businesses. _____________________________________________ Proverbs 3:31 "Envy thou not the oppressor, and choose none of his ways." | |||
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blame canada |
I agree with using deadly force to protect property. All the way down to a stick of bubble gum, depending on the situation (generally I oppose deadly force against children and mentally ill...if possible. It isn't always possible). It isn't about the property. It's about the choice that someone made that they valued their own life so little that they risked it to steal/damage someone else. If I'm forced to defend my property with deadly force, I want to be reimbursed for the bullet and cleanup, even the wear and tear on my firearm, and my own mental anguish, from the family of the real villain in the scenario, the person who forced the actions. Thieves should have real consequences for their actions. The victims certainly have them. There is no such thing as a victimless theft. Yes. I know people who have died at work. Not just in the military, not just as first responders (fire, ems, and LE), but also other workers. Also your poll options need a tweak. Two say the same thing. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The trouble with our Liberal friends...is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." Ronald Reagan, 1964 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Arguing with some people is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will just take a shit on the board, strut around knocking over all the pieces and act like it won.. and in some cases it will insult you at the same time." DevlDogs55, 2014  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | |||
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| Drill Here, Drill Now |
Ponder it from a less suburban mindset. Ranchers and homesteaders make a living selling/butchering livestock, and this is the historical reason the law contains the "property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means." The verbiage has lineage all the way back to 1870s and survived 1990s challenges. Historically, sparsely populated areas have always had a green light to shoot horse thieves, cattle thieves, etc. as law enforcement is so spread out. Texas has kept it that way as most of its 254 counties are sparsely populated. A mass produced item sold at a big box store (e.g. Halloween Costume at Spirit Halloween) doesn't pass that test as it's easy to buy the identical mass produced item. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Birth is terminal, where one checks out can be quite random. | |||
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Yes. Grew up and still live in a neighborhood where there’s a ton of Cops and Firefighters. Dad got broken up a few times on the job (Fire Department) Uncle got burnt up really badly when I was about 5ish. Ceiling fell in on him and burnt him from his knees to his armpits. He almost died from those injuries. Other friends of mine who’s parents were Police, killed in the line of duty. Military- some by accident, carelessness, some by enemy fire. Contracting for a little while- same as above. 30 years of being a cop, I’ve lost more than enough friends and acquaintances. ______________________________________________________________________ "When its time to shoot, shoot. Dont talk!" “What the government is good at is collecting taxes, taking away your freedoms and killing people. It’s not good at much else.” —Author Tom Clancy | |||
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One or two people had heart attacks over 40 years on the job (office/lab environment) and that was considered abnormal since it was a very rare occurrence. Would redefine the property choices: Would lethal force be allowed when someone is threatening potential lethal force (gun, knife, bat, acid, etc.) in order to steal your property? - Yes. Someone attempting to steal property without any force threatened (guy riding away on your bicycle, towing your car away, etc.)? - No, although if you can beat the crap out of them to stop it, I approve. However, might make an exception to this particular no lethal force rule if someone’s trying to make off with my dog! | |||
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| No More Mr. Nice Guy |
Theft of anything is stealing some life from the person who owns it. We spend some of our life to either create the thing or working to earn the money to buy the thing. If it is covered by insurance, that too is paid for by time from people's lives. I do not oppose use of force to stop theft, nor harsh punishments. We all pay a lot due to theft, rolled into retail prices and insurance premiums. On the topic of died at work, yes I've known several pilots and one flight attendant who've died at work. | |||
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