How much data does the average person require?

We have 4000 years of data on file throughout the world.
And we are still doing the same thing to one another, millennium after millinium.

What's going to change with all this data storage
Who will benefit most ?

What is the down side to all this storage?

It's not about how much data you use....it's about how much data THEY can store ABOUT you (and everyone and everything else), and how quickly they can parse and process it so that it's useful. "Data Center" is kind of a misnomer, actually...these places are more about processing power than they are about storage. That's why they require so much energy.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
It's not about how much data you use....it's about how much data THEY can store ABOUT you (and everyone and everything else)

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Originally posted by sgalczyn:

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
It's not about how much data you use....it's about how much data THEY can store ABOUT you (and everyone and everything else)

I’m not so sure about that. We are being watched tracked and listened to every second of every day pretty much.

We are part of a class action suit trying to block a local one unfortunately the state (WV) passed a law saying citizens cannot sue to block the construction so we first have to defeat that law. The location is terrible as well as its in the middle of the national forest. The company also had ALL the city council sign NDA's (how is that legal?) and then redacted all the pertinent information about the ecological damage. They want to use 1 million gallons of water a day...from a trout stream and got an EPA waiver for the air pollution they create.

I’ve made this claim for a long time: “Everything digital is tracked.”

I stand by my belief.

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Originally posted by sgalczyn:

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Originally posted by 92fstech:
It's not about how much data you use....it's about how much data THEY can store ABOUT you (and everyone and everything else)

If it fits...

I'm not hiding in the basement yet, but I used to be a DBA in a previous life, and now I work in LE, so I've seen a bit of both the technical and application sides of the house. The amount of data that's out there has always concerned me, but back when I was doing the data thing you had to know what you were looking for and go search for it yourself. Now we are rapidly developing ways to not only make all that data more easily accessible and searchable, but also automatically analyze trends and flag people based on patterns and behaviors. And we're on the verge of that whole process becoming autonomous, if it's not there already. With the wealth of data those algorithms have access to...yeah, we ought to be a little scared.

They aren't storage bins. They are processing centers.

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Originally posted by badguybuster:
We are part of a class action suit trying to block a local one unfortunately the state (WV) passed a law saying citizens cannot sue to block the construction so we first have to defeat that law. The location is terrible as well as its in the middle of the national forest. The company also had ALL the city council sign NDA's (how is that legal?) and then redacted all the pertinent information about the ecological damage. They want to use 1 million gallons of water a day...from a trout stream and got an EPA waiver for the air pollution they create.

Yeah, you guys need to get that shut down. They have no reason to divert a trout stream or to build in a National Forest. There are better places to put these things. The cooling systems in data centers use enormous amounts of water. Last year they tried to buy up a bunch of farmland out here to build one and the local government shut them down. One of the biggest concerns was that they'd deplete the aquifer that's already being heavily used for agriculture. Another is the massive energy consumption that's driving up prices for consumers across the board.

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Originally posted by badguybuster:
We are part of a class action suit trying to block a local one unfortunately the state (WV) passed a law saying citizens cannot sue to block the construction so we first have to defeat that law. The location is terrible as well as its in the middle of the national forest. The company also had ALL the city council sign NDA's (how is that legal?) and then redacted all the pertinent information about the ecological damage. They want to use 1 million gallons of water a day...from a trout stream and got an EPA waiver for the air pollution they create.

Same sort of situation in our neck of the woods. The thing I don’t get is there are already industrial parks or “gray areas” in our region that have the same amount of land available as the area that this company wants to build on, so why wouldn’t they use an area that’s already been deforested instead of going after untouched, pristine habitat?

The township adjoining this city is fighting the effort to turn 1000 acres of prime farmland into a data center. As this area is not part of the water systems that draw on Lake Huron like Flint and Detroit are it’s all going to have to come out from the aquafer that is under this area.

Add to the mess having to string in power lines to feed this and apparently buried in this is the need for the data center to have onsite DIESEL generators for high demand times. This flies in the face of our Governor, she is advocating for these all over the state and contradicts her push for “green” energy like solar and wind.

Oh, and buried in this proposal is the need to reroute Grand River Avenue, at one time U.S.16 before Interstate 96 was built as it bisects the property. This is currently the only non Interstate highway that continually crosses the county. And guess who will probably get stuck with paying for that?

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Originally posted by bendable:

We have 4000 years of data on file throughout the world.
And we are still doing the same thing to one another, millennium after millinium.

That’s just recorded history. You can’t make a fool learn.

The explosion in data center construction isn't so much about tracking and storing more personal data, it's about building more AI processing power. Of course, AI is also spying on us.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

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Originally posted by badguybuster:
We are part of a class action suit trying to block a local one unfortunately the state (WV) passed a law saying citizens cannot sue to block the construction so we first have to defeat that law. The location is terrible as well as its in the middle of the national forest. The company also had ALL the city council sign NDA's (how is that legal?) and then redacted all the pertinent information about the ecological damage. They want to use 1 million gallons of water a day...from a trout stream and got an EPA waiver for the air pollution they create.

Yeah, you guys need to get that shut down. They have no reason to divert a trout stream or to build in a National Forest. There are better places to put these things. The cooling systems in data centers use enormous amounts of water. Last year they tried to buy up a bunch of farmland out here to build one and the local government shut them down. One of the biggest concerns was that they'd deplete the aquifer that's already being heavily used for agriculture. Another is the massive energy consumption that's driving up prices for consumers across the board.

I know one of the OH Governor candidates [not Vivek] is big against these data centers going in.

Having the data itself is not the goal, it's really to use it to answer complex questions.
What if's.

Yeah, I don’t like these things either. I think we’re far enough outside of town that we may be safe from the more serious consequences of living in proximity to one, e.g. the 24 hour noise of the cooling fans; however, the mayor of Cheyenne is making noise about annexation out into the county. No word on where the power or water is coming from, although “technological advances” is thrown around like they’ll be able to pull both from stones.

"They" need to develop a human battery source.

Energy problem mitigated.

They need to use AI on the current centers to figure out a more water and energy efficient design for data centers. I seriously think there's some improvement to be made on the water side in particular.

These monstrosities consume so much power that Three Mile Island Unit 1 is being serviced to come back on line strictly for data center consumption.

All the data on people and the means of rapid processing and access to that data is not a threat in and of itself.

It is, who has the control of the data and process, that is the threat.

Otherwise it's just bits.

But so are the components that make up a nuclear weapon.

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