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Originally posted by newtoSig765:
People who claim to have known the guy said he had a Concealed Carry Permit. Police deny, news reports unconfirmable, usual confusion, but if he did have a permit, that could change things.

What would it change and in what context?

My personal disdain for this is what others have already posted. People are being murdered daily (on average) and yet there is no protest when that happens.

Its the purest form of hypocrisy practiced on the planet.

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"They thought he appeared to be reaching for a weapon, which he did have a weapon on him, and the officers tragically shot him," he said.

Notice how they used the term "tragically". We have no idea if this was a tragic shooting or not yet. But that won't stop the media from pushing an agenda. That word makes a line that could be stating just facts into a line stating facts and opinin. Subtle, but there.

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Originally posted by TKO:

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Originally posted by newtoSig765:
People who claim to have known the guy said he had a Concealed Carry Permit. Police deny, news reports unconfirmable, usual confusion, but if he did have a permit, that could change things.

What would it change and in what context?

Credibility of the police who were involved in the killing. Why would the dead guy (I'm not ready to call him "victim" yet!!!) not announce immediately that he had a permit? Just say'n.

I would venture to say that Chicago has been so anti-gun for so long that the police may be conditioned by experience to assume any gun is a threat. Legal civilian carry is very new to Illinois. Of course, the specifics of this case should determine its outcome.

[Dirty Harry in Magnum Force] Nothing wrong with shooting, as long as the right people get shot. So did the guy need shooting or not?

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Some people claimed a female officer shot the man at least five times in the back as he ran away, the newspaper reported.

This is so over the top and farfetched as to not be credible.

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Originally posted by newtoSig765:

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Originally posted by TKO:

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Originally posted by newtoSig765:
People who claim to have known the guy said he had a Concealed Carry Permit. Police deny, news reports unconfirmable, usual confusion, but if he did have a permit, that could change things.

What would it change and in what context?

Credibility of the police who were involved in the killing. Why would the dead guy (I'm not ready to call him "victim" yet!!!) not announce immediately that he had a permit? Just say'n.

Having a permit and announcing that you do still doesn't mean the shoot couldn't also be good. It could change nothing.

In terms of the fake protests, in fact it doesn't change anything out all. Fake outrage start to finish.

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Originally posted by Puckpilot78:
Wake me when they start protesting the "black on black" violence that happens daily...

You'll be asleep for a long time.

We assisted a neighboring city on Wednesday with a black on black murder. Nothing but animosity from the public while we tried to solve it. Arrested two black suspects. Nothing but hatred towards us.

Last night they had a vigil for the deceased thug and started up again and we had to go in and assist again and break it up. Thankfully our K9 was working last night and he broke things up pretty quick. Nobody wants to get bit.

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Originally posted by mbinky:

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"They thought he appeared to be reaching for a weapon, which he did have a weapon on him, and the officers tragically shot him," he said.

Notice how they used the term "tragically". We have no idea if this was a tragic shooting or not yet. But that won't stop the media from pushing an agenda. That word makes a line that could be stating just facts into a line stating facts and opinin. Subtle, but there.

Agree. Just give me the facts and I'll determine whether or not it's tragic. I see this kind of shit all the time. Our local news typically comes out with a lead in "Horrible story". Just tell me what happened. If an entire family was killed by a drunk driver I can determine whether or not it's horrible.

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Originally posted by TKO:

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Originally posted by newtoSig765:
People who claim to have known the guy said he had a Concealed Carry Permit. Police deny, news reports unconfirmable, usual confusion, but if he did have a permit, that could change things.

What would it change and in what context?

My personal disdain for this is what others have already posted. People are being murdered daily (on average) and yet there is no protest when that happens.

Its the purest form of hypocrisy practiced on the planet.

There was a protest. That phake phather phleger had one last week and kinda shut down an expressway. An expressway, not the neighborhoods where the shootings occur on a daily basis, not his own parish where shootings, homicides, drug deals, car jackings occur all the time... an expressway, to inconvenience other people.
And the mayor signed off on it.
It was "to bring awareness" to all the violence. I'm pretty fuckin sure that everyone is "aware" to the point that it's become an over used punchline.

it's not hypocrisy, it's stupidity.

The hypocrisy occurs when they wont even come forward when there's a black on black homicide. When one OF THEIR OWN get's killed. crickets... No one sees notin', no one says notin'. But when the Police shoots Lil Homie, every swinging dick in the universe is out on the street from around the corner, 5 blocks away... "I seent it alls! Dem RACIST ASS POLICE EXIKUTED my man fo no good reason!"
"People who 'claim' to have known him"... one simple question- What's his name? Concealed Cary Permit? No more so than I have my PhD from Harvard.

Of course, "pookie" was just finna turn his life around. He didnt do nuffin. That was a cellphone/H.S. Diploma/Bible in his hand.

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Originally posted by TKO:
Having a permit and announcing that you do still doesn't mean the shoot couldn't also be good. It could change nothing...

How about we keep an open mind?

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by newtoSig765:
People who claim to have known the guy said he had a Concealed Carry Permit. Police deny, news reports unconfirmable, usual confusion, but if he did have a permit, that could change things.

It would, but...

Having a Michigan CPL, I'd be inclined to be doubly careful of my movements around police officers during a stop of any kind and the first words out of my mouth, as soon as possible, would be "I have a Michigan CPL and I'm carrying. What do you want me to do?"

Anything other than that as asking to get shot, IMO.

Curious why he ran if he had a permit. Just saying.

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Curious why he ran if he had a permit. Just saying.

EXACTLY this.

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Originally posted by newtoSig765:

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Originally posted by TKO:
Having a permit and announcing that you do still doesn't mean the shoot couldn't also be good. It could change nothing...

How about we keep an open mind?

I'll keep an open mind
You willing to keep an open wallet?

I got $20 sayin he never came close to ever having a concealed carry permit.

-No, I dont have an inside edge on this bet, I just know the neighborhood.

Don't let the media guide you.

The march is doing wonders.

8:00a Shoot-o-Rahm-a Tally: 4 killed, 20 wounded

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CHICAGO — Mayor Rahm Emanuel announced Sunday that more than 50 new police officers will soon hit the streets across Chicago, providing a boost to their beats as the city continues its battle against violent crime.

According to Emanuel, Chicago saw a decline of more than 100 homicides last year, the most drastic one-year reduction in more than a decade. As one more step in the city's anti-crime efforts, Emanuel said more than 50 new officers will be deployed in police districts around the city. It's all part of the city's crime reduction strategy of adding 1,000 new officers to the force.

That moron is proud of his record? he doesn't tell them that while he added 50, twice that left the department. He stripped all the other divisions to put people in uniform.

He also left out those great numbers were 180 higher than two years prior.

Final 2017 Totals
Shot & Killed: 625
Shot & Wounded: 2936
Total Shot: 3561
Total Homicides: 682

Final 2016 Totals
Shot & Killed: 722
Shot & Wounded: 3658
Total Shot: 4380
Total Homicides: 808

Final 2015 Totals
Shot & Killed: 449
Shot & Wounded: 2547
Total Shot: 2996
Total Homicides: 511

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:
...I'm pretty fuckin sure that everyone is "aware" to the point that it's become an over used punchline...

I spent most of my working career in downtown Chicago. Now, there's no way I'd step foot in it, even if I was armed. Black violence is pandemic, and I won't risk my ass there.

CPD SIG, you and I agreed that there were no Good Guys in the Laquan MacDonald situation -- not the guy who abused the corpse, not those who covered it up including the States Attorney, and especially not the wise-assed punk with the knife who started the whole thing.

All I'm saying, for now, is that this doesn't fit the behavior of a CCW carrier. IF HE REALLY WAS ONE!!!!!

By the way, one reason I didn't bother to get a license myself is that the IL law is too repressive. As it was originally passed, even printing is a felony. That's got to tell you something about the attitude of the various government agencies.

So far I only see the 'claim' that he had a permit. A claim that was probably made by one of the dirtbags who "Saw it all!! He was executed by the Po-lice!! Shot in the back as he was running away on his knees!!"

I'd like to see some actual evidence this guy has a valid CCW. Until then I'm not buying it.

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Originally posted by Yanert98:

I'd like to see some actual evidence this guy has a valid CCW. Until then I'm not buying it.

Pretty much that's where I'm at, too.

This is a new excuse on the part of the Dindoo Muffins brigade, and watching Pfakir Pfleger's riot last week, those people aren't smart enough to think of something like that without help.

There were also claims from people (and folks )in the neighborhood that he was unarmed. At this point believe nothing. A couple of the comments posted to this on Second City Cop Blog said there was video of the incident. One said thug pointed a pistol at officers. Perhaps this was information shared to the media but they declined to report it, because it does not fit their narrative.

Almost all stories on shootings now are suspect on their veracity and truthfulness: some are just post shooting ramblings and statements by by idiots. Remember the New York City Hammer Attacker? Remember how he attacked two cops in the middle of a intersection and while being assaulted by him with a hammer, they shoot him? At least two idiots showed up to local media outlets swearing that the police shoot him after he was in handcuffed and sitting on the ground or running away from police:
Witnesses False Statements

Of course the video of the intersection covered the entire incident:



Others are just basically news releases of the lawsuit or planned lawsuit which the media publishes in full without any investigation.

Fake news doesn't just happen to President Trump.

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Originally posted by Edmond:
Wouldn't it be easier to just wall the south and west sides off from the rest of Chicago? Give the police hating people what they want: no police. Let them solve their own problems. Let the animals kill each other.

I've been advocating that for years...let them burn their homes down.