Now I understand the demonizing and defunding of police and push to convict chauvin. Entice the American ideals police to quit, and replace them with inexperienced but compliant.

Remember when we used to hang our hats on that flatfoots wouldn't abide illegal 2A confiscations? The replacement force won't have a problem with it.

Also good for fomenting racial division and isolating and vilifying actual believers in justice.

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Remember when we used to hang our hats on that flatfoots wouldn't abide illegal 2A confiscations? The replacement force won't have a problem with it.

I've wondered about antifa pukes worming into LEO positions. With so many openings appearing, ready made for subversive replacements. All this talk of witch hunts in the military for white supremacism/extremism is along the same lines. Antifa/BLM mobs have certainly demonstrated their love of meting out "justice".

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In Minneapolis continues to wage war on the police…

I just shake my head.

Minneapolis Park Board votes to expel State Patrol from shared office space | Star Tribune - https://www.startribune.com/comments/600048946/

Wow. Minneapolis’s mayor had an accidental moment of sanity and realized maybe it’s not such a good idea to chase ALL the LEO’s out of his city.

Frey vetoes ban on state troopers using Minneapolis Park Board headquarters

This resolution is not about good policymaking or helping the people of Minneapolis. Rather, it is about political grandstanding that values optics over both the residents we serve and our interjurisdictional partnerships," Frey wrote in a letter to the board announcing his veto. "This resolution does not advance police accountability, enhance transparency, or further our shared goals of building community trust. Rather, it prevents State Troopers from using the bathroom and parking lots and adds tension to relationships where we need to maintain and strengthen unity and collaboration. Now is simply not the time for posturing. It is the time for serious, responsible government."

Well, good for him on this point.

Will this picture help Derek Chauvin get an appeal? Juror attended BLM rally wearing 'Get Your Knee Off Our Necks' T-shirt before trial - and lied about it on jury questionnaire

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne...hington-protest.html

^ Move along. Nothing to see here folks.
That guy could make the rounds of all the tv talk shows, and nothing would happen.

They (BLM) have some gall putting the image of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. on their shirts.

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Originally posted by pbslinger:

Remember when we used to hang our hats on that flatfoots wouldn't abide illegal 2A confiscations? The replacement force won't have a problem with it.

I've wondered about antifa pukes worming into LEO positions. With so many openings appearing, ready made for subversive replacements. All this talk of witch hunts in the military for white supremacism/extremism is along the same lines. Antifa/BLM mobs have certainly demonstrated their love of meting out "justice".

I see it happening, just like the jurist who called upon people to do jury duty to "effect societal change". It would appear that it has already happened to some extent in our federal agencies.

I mentioned a while back that life was turning into a Kurt Schlichter novel....if you have not read them please do. When I read the first one I thought "ok, this guy is a bit tin foily. Now it would appear he has a crystal ball.

His books certainly aren't Clancy (early Clancy, not the co-authored crap) but they can be entertaining
https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...w_0&storeType=ebooks

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I mentioned a while back that life was turning into a Kurt Schlichter novel....if you have not read them please do. When I read the first one I thought "ok, this guy is a bit tin foily. Now it would appear he has a crystal ball.

Keep watching, it looks like he is the world's first 100% accurate psychic. It's unbelievable how he's nailed this.

Mitchell said he answered "no" to two questions in the juror questionnaire sent out before jury selection that asked about participation in demonstrations.

The first question asked, "Did you, or someone close to you, participate in any of the demonstrations or marches against police brutality that took place in Minneapolis after George Floyd's death?"

The second asked, "Other than what you have already described above, have you, or anyone close to you, participated in protests about police use of force or police brutality?"

Mitchell said he was not concerned about backlash for his participation in the march, noting its historic significance beyond the Chauvin case.

"This was a big deal," he said of the event. "It's a national thing."

https://www.startribune.com/ch...-surfaces/600053102/

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Will this picture help Derek Chauvin get an appeal? Juror attended BLM rally wearing 'Get Your Knee Off Our Necks' T-shirt before trial - and lied about it on jury questionnaire

"Get your knee off our necks." And everyone is expected to simply believe that he attended this march for MLK. Had he ever attended the MLK march prior to this time? It should be blatantly obvious to everyone this juror's true motive and position. But somehow in today's climate of disorder, it's not.

Reminds me of this clip from The Simpsons when Sideshow Bob was seeking parole after being locked up for trying to kill Bart.

Dude had a white jacket on while doing his podcast before the trial.
Therefore why would anyone think he would have held a bias against Derek Chauvin?

White coat implies he is honest and would listen to both sides without a predetermined bias, does it not.

Report: Derek Chauvin Juror Wore George Floyd T-Shirt At Least Twice

Not telling the truth during voir dire could be a big deal. It certainly can be argued that the defense was deprived of the chance to find out whether this juror had a bias. But it depends a lot on facts we don't know about yet. Did they ask him other similar questions? What were his answers to those.

It is certainly an appeal point. Whether it has any meat is unkown.

So much for the belief that you receive "a jury of your peers".

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So much for the belief that you receive "a jury of your peers".

Well that’s a given, because smart people know how to get out of jury duty

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So much for the belief that you receive "a jury of your peers".

Well that’s a given, because smart people know how to get out of jury duty

Which means that just about anyone with an IQ above 110 or so will never get a jury of their peers.

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So much for the belief that you receive "a jury of your peers".

Well that’s a given, because smart people know how to get out of jury duty

You are condemning all "smart people" as being derelict in their civic duty? I am generally considered to be "smart" (my IQ supports it) and I have responded to every call to jury duty I received. I was only actually selected for one jury, and I served as the Foreman on that one. I am now old enough that I don't get called any more. But if I were called, I would go. Every good citizen should do so, too. Employers are required to permit employees to serve, without docking their pay (if salaried). Persons with significant reasons to avoid jury duty do have ways to ask for deferment.

flashguy

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
So much for the belief that you receive "a jury of your peers".

Well that’s a given, because smart people know how to get out of jury duty

You are condemning all "smart people" as being derelict in their civic duty? I am generally considered to be "smart" (my IQ supports it) and I have responded to every call to jury duty I received. I was only actually selected for one jury, and I served as the Foreman on that one. I am now old enough that I don't get called any more. But if I were called, I would go. Every good citizen should do so, too. Employers are required to permit employees to serve, without docking their pay (if salaried). Persons with significant reasons to avoid jury duty do have ways to ask for deferment.

flashguy

I agree and argue that in the 5 or 6 times I've had to respond to jury notices, every single time...anyone with education and half a brain is very quickly removed from the jury pool by the attorneys. They want idiots willing to change their opinions with the simplest presentation of an argument.

^^gentlemen, I wasn’t attacking you or your civic duty...it was a snarky remark.....I was a cop and I know how to get off jury duty-tell them the truth when they ask any questions...yes I have preconceived thoughts about this case, yes I will believe the cops testimony over thugs, yes I have heard about the case and my mind is made up.....

My brother got out of jury duty by telling the attorney asking him “can you be open minded and remember the defendant is not guilty until he is proven guilty.” Chuck said “ well they spent a lot of time to get him here...”

He got bounced from the trial...he also hasn’t been called again for jury duty in 20 years...I think he got flagged for his remark.

I got called several times to jury duty when I was a policeman-in the same city where I worked. I had to sit thru all the questions and got put back into the pool and drawn three more times. After the third day of sitting around reading a book I went to the superior judge during a break and told him what I had been doing- he wrote a sticky post it and handed it to the clerk and I was removed from the roles.

But back to the Chauvin trial. He deserves a new trial in another location with jurors who will answer he questions truthfully and not go in with an agenda.

AKSD and Mike, we're good. I only was enrolled in one jury because the Drfense lawyer generally yanked me because I had friends in LE. I suppose they thought I'd always side with the LEO in every case. It wasn't true--I am fully capable of making my own decisions about what is true and what is not--if the cop were wrong, I'd be against it. Lawyers tend to expect that everyone is just as unprincipled as they are. (Unfortunately, today that is often the case.)

flashguy

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Not telling the truth during voir dire could be a big deal. It certainly can be argued that the defense was deprived of the chance to find out whether this juror had a bias. But it depends a lot on facts we don't know about yet. Did they ask him other similar questions? What were his answers to those.

It is certainly an appeal point. Whether it has any meat is unkown.

Hennepin County Special Juror Questionnaire

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“ Mitchell said he answered 'no' to two questions about demonstrations.

The first question asked: 'Did you, or someone close to you, participate in any of the demonstrations or marches against police brutality that took place in Minneapolis after George Floyd's death?'

The second asked: 'Other than what you have already described above, have you, or anyone close to you, participated in protests about police use of force or police brutality?'”

He attended a march in Washington D.C.
The first question should have been worded differently, as it specified “Minneapolis”.

For the second question, he did not consider the march in Washington D.C. to be against police use of force or police brutality.