After the Supreme Court decision regarding concealed carry being a right do you think we will start to see state level lawsuits to get rid of all the fees associated with the permit application process?

In NC you need a $100 class before you can pay $90 application fee and submit your application.
In CA its anywhere from $150 to more than $300.

This topic might find more “traction” in the subforum on CCW methods and issues. Many good threads are there.

interesting. I know a lot of counties are kind of addicted to receiving those fees from CHL applications, which is one theory as to why Constitutional Carry often gets stalled since it doesn't generate revenue.

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I consider it along the lines of being like a poll tax.
Illegal.

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Originally posted by sjp:
After the Supreme Court decision regarding concealed carry being a right do you think we will start to see state level lawsuits to get rid of all the fees associated with the permit application process?

In NC you need a $100 class before you can pay $90 application fee and submit your application.
In CA its anywhere from $150 to more than $300.

If a State has constitutional carry, I can't see a problem with permit fees. If they don't have constitutional carry, then I do.

I THINK this is why Texas had a waiver of fees, upon a showing of indigence.

(Bit fuzzy, but I think I recall that.)

The court seems all over the place on it - I think tax on newspaper ink was illegal - but court fees are OK.

I think much of it will depend on the "reasonableness" of the fees - if its similar to other licensing fees/seems linked to actual costs, that would be one thing.

CA starts trying to charge $5k, and they'll probably get their fingers slapped.

Fees may not be illegal per se if they have a rational relationship to the costs involved. In other words, a $40 fee may be fine, but a $400 one may not.

I don't know, I have looked at cases, but that is a gut-level impression.

I have long thought if the “government” requires a license or permit to do something that should not be regulated (e.g., passport to travel abroad), it should be free.

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Originally posted by jhe888:
Fees may not be illegal per se if they have a rational relationship to the costs involved. In other words, a $40 fee may be fine, but a $400 one may not.

I don't know, I have looked at cases, but that is a gut-level impression.

It costs to run a voting/polling station...

As a Californian, I'm sensitive to the fees.

Initial application is $350 (Live Scan $120, CCW class $140, sheriff fees $90, and one more that I can't recall). Then it's only good for 2 years.

Renewal is $140 for CCW class and range and $80 with the sheriff.

My biggest beef is to ask the CA to make renewals every 5 years, not every 2 years.

In Long Island NY the CCW class is anywhere’s from 400-700 dollars. The application fee is 250 and fingerprints are 90. How can the common man afford this stuff?

Seriously?

A fee to exercise a constitutionally protected right?

50% discount for your license to practice your religion.

2 days only. 10% discount on your your right to be free from unreasonable search and seizure.

If a fee can be charged, or a license issued, it is not a right but a priviledge.

I'd like to see some state impose a journalist fee on anyone who wants to publish an article readable in that state. How that gets litigated would make for an interesting legal precedent.

If the SCOTUS is serious about enforcing the 2A, we're in uncharted territory, and we'll have to see where the juris prudence goes.

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Originally posted by Karpteach:
How can the common man afford this stuff?

It's designed to exclude a lot of people.

If the dem bastards can't make laws to stop people, they'll make it as expensive as possible.

Stupid Illinois requires 16 hours of training.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:


If a State has constitutional carry, I can't see a problem with permit fees. If they don't have constitutional carry, then I do.

I like this position.

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Originally posted by Edmond:

If the dem bastards can't make laws to stop people, they'll make it as expensive as possible.

I've had such fascists tell me with grins on their faces that they can just tax bullets or require unaffordable liability insurance to make it impossible for people to own guns. They either don't recognize the danger to their own freedoms or they believe they are part of an elite group that can live by different rules.

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:

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Originally posted by Edmond:

If the dem bastards can't make laws to stop people, they'll make it as expensive as possible.

I've had such fascists tell me with grins on their faces that they can just tax bullets or require unaffordable liability insurance to make it impossible for people to own guns. They either don't recognize the danger to their own freedoms or they believe they are part of an elite group that can live by different rules.

They are just stupid sheep aligning to a political party because they need group validation.

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
They either don't recognize the danger to their own freedoms or they believe they are part of an elite group that can live by different rules.

As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.

But it’s not limited to mindless leftists. I once had a deputy sheriff tell me in reaction to efforts to ban AR-type rifles, “What do I care? I’m law enforcement, and it won’t affect me.” He left law enforcement a few years later.

And then:
“If you live in a state that has restrictive gun control laws, move, just move. Mine doesn’t and never will.”
“Uh, your state just elected a far left governor who wants those laws.”
“Um, yeah, but those proposals will never make it through the legislature. We have nothing to worry about.”
“Right. How’s that packing up to move going?”

I think I paid 150 bucks for my permit. Fine with me. You are the one approaching the government. It costs money to do background checks. Make your card, and labor for the person processing everything. Plus, a little cost will discourage the riff raff. As long as governments aren't charging high costs to discourage too much.

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Originally posted by goose5:
Plus, a little cost will discourage the riff raff.

The riff raff doesn't care about permits