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A New York man willing to testify against MS-13 members who attacked him in 2018 was found dead earlier this week after his identity was disclosed to defendants’ attorneys in pre-trial proceedings, police say.

The bludgeoned body of 36-year-old Wilmer Maldonado Rodriguez was found Sunday outside an abandoned home in New Cassel, the Nassau County Police Department announced Wednesday. Investigators said Rodriguez in October 2018 came to the defense of two boys who were being threatened by the gang — only to be beaten with a bat and stabbed, according to Newsday.

"This courageous man was prepared to testify against his alleged assailants at an upcoming trial, but he was brutally beaten to death before he could," Nassau County District Attorney Madeline Singas said in a statement provided to the newspaper.

"This case underscores the importance of safeguarding the identities of witnesses and victims of crime and our hearts are with Mr. Maldonado’s family and friends as we grieve his loss.”

Singas says prosecutors tried to keep Rodriguez’s identity secret by obtaining a protective order in December 2018.

But last December, ahead of looming changes to New York’s criminal justice system, including reforming the pre-trial discovery phase – during which prosecutors reveal evidence to the defense for preparation – the judge in the case issued a new order.

It allowed “for the disclosure of the protected information to defense counsel,” Newsday reports. The judge’s order, it added, required attorneys for two defendants not to reveal Rodriguez' s name to their clients until the trial’s start date of Jan. 6.

However, Nassau Police Commissioner Patrick Ryder said Wednesday that the trial was delayed.

“On February 1st, 2020, Wilmer, our now victim, deceased, was also beaten on and he escaped from there,” Ryder said. “Then on February 2nd, we found Mr. Rodriguez’s body.”

“The individuals whoever did this attack, we believe had received that information,” Ryder concluded, referring to Rodriguez’s identity. He noted that the investigation into Rodriguez’s killing is ongoing and no suspects have been identified.

Both attorneys, though, are denying that they disclosed any names of witnesses or victims to their clients.

“I never gave him the name of those people. And he never asked me for it,” lawyer Greg Madey, who is representing 20-year-old Denis Pineda, told Newsday. “I’m offended by the allegation that Denis Pineda had something to do with orchestrating this murder.”

Justin Feinman, who is representing 19-year-old Elian Ramos Velasquez, told Newsday that “at this point to say that it was a defense attorney that leaked without more information is completely inappropriate.”

“I feel horrible that this happened,” Feinman added. “This should have never happened. I just don’t see how you can blame a particular judge or attorney.”

The trial Rodriguez was supposed to testify in is set to begin sometime this week, Ryder said Wednesday.


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These savages have declared war on America; we’re past the point of trying to deal with them through the system. It’s high time they are simply squashed like roaches.




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Hope that judge feels good about himself




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These savages have declared war on America; we’re past the point of trying to deal with them through the system. It’s high time they are simply squashed like roaches.

Problem in NY, as well as other parts of the country, is the State doesn't want to do its job, but doesn't want you to do it, either.



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Nice Judge, signs the mans death warrant Mad


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Nope, he probably went to his favorite restaurant and got the surf and turf dinner and never gave it another thought. These people have no souls.

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Nice Judge, signs the mans death warrant Mad


I'm a firm believer that everyone has a right to confront their accuser and this case hasn't changed my mind. While the defense attorneys knew the identity, the judge instructed that the defendants themselves were not to know prior to the start of the trial.
That seems like the proper balance to me.
 
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Problem in NY, as well as other parts of the country, is the State doesn't want to do its job, but doesn't want you to do it, either.
But that's the difference between much of this country and others around the world. We have both the 'means', and if things continue to devolve the 'motivation', to take matters into our own hands to protect us and ours. NY like a number of other states is promoting chaos in an effort to hugely expand the control of the state.


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Nice Judge, signs the mans death warrant Mad


I'm a firm believer that everyone has a right to confront their accuser and this case hasn't changed my mind. While the defense attorneys knew the identity, the judge instructed that the defendants themselves were not to know prior to the start of the trial.
That seems like the proper balance to me.

I agree 100% that the right to confront one's accuser is vital. The place to do that is the courtroom though, not in a back alley.
 
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Nice Judge, signs the mans death warrant Mad


I'm a firm believer that everyone has a right to confront their accuser and this case hasn't changed my mind. While the defense attorneys knew the identity, the judge instructed that the defendants themselves were not to know prior to the start of the trial.
That seems like the proper balance to me.


Has the right to confront his accuser IN COURT.
Not before, when exactly this can happen. Judge killed this man.
 
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Nice Judge, signs the mans death warrant Mad


I'm a firm believer that everyone has a right to confront their accuser and this case hasn't changed my mind. While the defense attorneys knew the identity, the judge instructed that the defendants themselves were not to know prior to the start of the trial.
That seems like the proper balance to me.


Has the right to confront his accuser IN COURT.
Not before, when exactly this can happen. Judge killed this man.


Attorneys need to be fully prepared and ready to defend the moment the trial starts. That's not possible if you're missing key information.
 
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They could easily arrange a meeting in an office or other building. MS-13 rules by intimidation and murder. That POS judge probably did go home and forgot about it, as it was just one of the "little people" who was beaten to death.

Best one can do is stay away from New York. There is no winning when facing villains and evil when in NY.


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This mess in New York all boils down to F'ing democrats that passed these moronic laws. I keep saying it and I hope you closet democrats out there listen; democrats are a cancer to America, they are not your friend. The democrat party is only for illegals, refugees, criminals and other parasites. Personally, I despise all democrat politicians and the low IQ, idiots that vote for them.
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This actually was just covered in the latest episode of Blue Bloods.

This new insane law that allows witness information to be given to the bad guys attorneys is going to get a whole lot of people killed and cause witnesses to not want to testify.


 
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Nope, he probably went to his favorite restaurant and got the surf and turf dinner and never gave it another thought. These people have no souls.

Jim

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Once again, it seems that some are placing blame on the judge for issuing an order which seems to be in line with the new law which recently took effect. He also took the initiative to order that the attorneys not reveal the witnesses name to the defendants until the trial's start date. While that order was clearly ineffective, it appears to have been all he could do without running afoul of the law. The blame should rest on those legislators who drafted and passed this law.

New York City is known for its progressive, reform-oriented justice system so its rather telling that the district attorneys for all five boroughs have expressed reservations about these new laws.

The ultimate irony in this case is that even if the perpetrator of this murder is caught, charged and convicted, the most severe penalty available will be life without since New York has no death penalty.
 
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Y'all know there is a possibility that he was killed by or for something else....


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He was going to be targeted whether the accused found out ahead of time or at the trial.
 
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Problem in NY, as well as other parts of the country, is the State doesn't want to do its job, but doesn't want you to do it, either.
But that's the difference between much of this country and others around the world. We have both the 'means', and if things continue to devolve the 'motivation', to take matters into our own hands to protect us and ours. NY like a number of other states is promoting chaos in an effort to hugely expand the control of the state.


Exactly. Which is why I need to leave here asap. Well that and painfully high taxes to support the entitlements!



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