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Kim has a history of not really knowing the laws and rules of evidence with the Greitens case and this case.

By having the firearms altered, she obviously does not know the rules of evidence but with her it's more likely she does not care.
 
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Wonder if the AG couldn't investigate Gardner for evidence tampering?

I think he is waiting to see what happens today. If she loses the primary, she is out and problem is solved. If she wins, investigation goes forward.

Kim has a history of not really knowing the laws and rules of evidence with the Greitens case and this case.

Flawed Logic Right There! Crimes need to be prosecuted...NO Exceptions! We either have the Rule of Law, or we do not. Bad Actors NEED to be held accountable, or the Republic will fall. We are on a VERY Slippery slope right now for this very reason! Mad


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I think he is waiting to see what happens today. If she loses the primary, she is out and problem is solved. If she wins, investigation goes forward.

The City is divided between black Democrats and white Democrats. There are no Republicans to speak of. If some of the black people have had enough lawlessness... Mary Pat Carl may win the August 4 Dem. primary.



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Kim Gardner reelected.



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^^^^

I'm not really surprised that she won the primary but I was shocked by how handily she won. I thought it would have been a much tighter margin.

On a side note, I was totally blindsided by Clay losing to Bush.
 
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Flawed Logic Right There! Crimes need to be prosecuted...NO Exceptions! We either have the Rule of Law, or we do not. Bad Actors NEED to be held accountable, or the Republic will fall. We are on a VERY Slippery slope right now for this very reason!


Agree. Plus it wasn't Gardner altering the evidence on her own. Others were involved. So go after them all and possibly add the 'conspiracy' angle in there as well.


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On a side note, I was totally blindsided by Clay losing to Bush.

Yeah, me too. At least Lacy Clay was reasonable.

Bush was among the original Justice Democrat recruits in 2018, but lost her first challenge by 20 points. A registered nurse and pastor, she made a second run this cycle, again with the backing of Justice Democrats, the progressive group best known for recruiting Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. “It is historic that this year, of all the years, we are sending a Black, working-class, single mother, who’s been fighting for Black lives since Ferguson, all the way to the halls of Congress,” Bush said in a victory speech.

Another member of the Squad. Roll Eyes



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REPORT: St. Louis Detectives ‘Balked’ At McCloskey Docs, Refused To Sign Off On Prosecutors’ Demands

https://www.dailywire.com/news...m_campaign=position4

Documents and voicemails obtained by a local St. Louis NBC affiliate show that detectives investigating Mark and Patricia McCloskey, the couple that pointed weapons at Black Lives Matter protesters who entered their gated community in search of the St. Louis mayor’s house, “balked” at prosecutors’ decision to charge the McCloskeys and initially refused to sign off on prosecutors documents.

The lead prosecutor, Sgt. Curtis Burgdorf, also told prosecutors that police believed at least one protester was armed and others were wearing bulletproof vests, based on what they gleaned from security footage and other available videos.

“The lead St. Louis police detective investigating the McCloskey case refused to sign at least two versions of court documents prosecutors drafted, according to a review of those documents obtained by 5 On Your Side,” the NBC affiliate reported late last week, adding that prosecutors appeared to be pressuring police to serve a search warrant on the McCloskey residents — a warrant that eventually turned up the weapons Mark McCloskey was wielding in a now-viral video.

Lawyers for Patricia McCloskey turned in her weapon to authorities days later. It was inoperable when submitted to law enforcement.

“At this point, everything points to these weapons being real and loaded, but no one has asked or confirmed,” the prosecutor wrote to police, demanding that the cops seize the McCloskeys guns. “Come trial, they’ll say they were waiving around a BB gun and an air rifle.”

The prosecutor, Assistant Circuit Attorney Chris Hinckley, also wrote to the lead detective’s commander trying to pressure detectives to move forward with the case.

“Our office is receiving inquiries from the public and press about a warrant application and potential charges. We’ve thus far said the matter ‘remains under investigation.’ I’d really like to avoid pointing to a police follow-up request as the hold-up, but I won’t control the messaging if this goes on any longer. Please see what you can do to help this along. Again, I’m asking for priority on the firearms issue,” he said.

“Hinckley also wrote the document the lead detective did sign, known as the probable cause statement,” NBC reported. “But it went through at least two revisions after Burgdorf outlined 14 concerns he had about the document, 5 On Your Side has learned.”

Specifically, Bergdorf objected to prosecutors’ claim that the McCloskeys confronted a “peaceful protest,” and that prosecutors used the terms “semi-automatic” and “assault” rifle, noting that those were non-specific “propaganda” terms. In addition, Bergdorf also corrected claims prosecutors made that weren’t borne out by evidence available to law enforcement, including that protesters went through an “open gate” and that Mark McCloskey’s gun was “visibly loaded.”

Bergdorf also insisted that the McCloskeys may have been correct in their assessment that protesters were armed and dangerous.

Some of the phrases [Bergdorf] was able to decipher from the footage collected by prosecutors from protesters included:

“You own a business. Your business is gone.”

“We coming back baby.”

“You ain’t the only (expletive) with a gun.”

“They coming back to your house.”

Although the McCloskeys have been charged, there is continuing controversy over the case, much of it aimed at St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kim Gardner, whom McCloskey allies claim targeted the couple for political reasons.


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Now that bitch Gardner, I apologize for that as it’s an insult to bitches everywhere, has the gall to say the McCloskeys are turning the case into political theater. You can’t make this stuff up!



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Trespassers NOT prosecuted, I know, shocking. Roll Eyes

9 charged after McCloskey confrontation won't be prosecuted


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They were indicted for exhibiting weapons and tampering with evidence

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Tampering with Evidence???

Seems it's the Prosecution (due to actions taken at Gardner's direction) that could and SHOULD be charged with Tampering with Evidence! Roll Eyes


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What can you expect from a Soros backed DA but corruption and malfeasance?



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A St. Louis grand jury has indicted Mark and Patricia McCloskey on two counts each: exhibiting a weapon and tampering with evidence.

The couple appeared before a judge Tuesday, who continued their hearing until Oct. 14, saying the grand jury needed more time to deliberate.

The couple’s attorney, Joel Schwartz, said he was told the grand jury reached a decision to indict his clients Tuesday afternoon. Their cases have been assigned to judges Michael Stelzer and Thomas Clark.

The next step will be arraignments, where the McCloskeys will enter a plea to the charges issued against them.

The indictment means prosecutors convinced a grand jury they have enough evidence against the McCloskeys to proceed to trial.

Gov. Mike Parson has said he would pardon the McCloskeys should they be convicted.

St. Louis Circuit Attorney Kimberly Gardner originally issued charges against them for unlawful use of a weapon – a felony.

The grand jury added the charge of tampering with evidence. Only prosecutors are allowed to present evidence to grand juries, and they are secret proceedings.

Gardner’s office has not yet responded to a request for comment, so it’s unclear what is at the center of that charge.

Patricia McCloskey told police the handgun she used during the June 28 confrontation was inoperable because she had used it as a prop during a trial against a gun manufacturer.

A key component of Missouri law states that a gun must be “readily capable of lethal use” in order for someone to be charged with the crime. Hinckley signed the court document, known as the complaint, saying the weapon was capable of lethal use.

5 On Your Side reported about the tension between the lead detective on the case, Sgt. Curtis Burgdorf, and Hinckley over the wording of the court document known as the probable cause statement. Burgdorf sent a list of multiple concerns he had with the way Hinckley wrote the document and refused to sign it until the concerns were addressed.

5 On Your Side has learned Burgdorf was not among the witnesses prosecutors called to testify before the grand jury, but some of the protesters accused of trespassing on the McCloskeys’ property during the confrontation did testify.

City attorneys for St. Louis refused to charge nine protesters who were ticketed for trespassing after members of the Portland Place trustees said they did not want to press charges against them.

Following Tuesday’s hearing, the McCloskeys’ attorney said his clients own the sidewalk in front of their home and that they, and other members of the homeowner’s association were never subpoenaed by the city.

“They absolutely would have liked to press charges,” Schwartz said of his clients.
 
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Disgusting. This is the democRATS vision of the future. If you defend yourself with a weapon, you are the criminal.




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I'm surprised. Her office normally goes out of their way to not charge ANYONE.





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I'm surprised. Her office normally goes out of their way to not charge ANYONE.


Except for cops or citizens defending themselves.

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City attorneys for St. Louis refused to charge nine protesters who were ticketed for trespassing after members of the Portland Place trustees said they did not want to press charges against them.
The McCloskey's need to ask their neighbors why they didn't want to press charges? Whatcha bet they thought all of this was going to get dropped and they didn't want the "protestors" coming back at them. Roll Eyes


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