And there is a huge part of the problem.

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3 suspects busted for water-bucket attacks already back on the streets

https://nypost.com/2019/07/25/...back-on-the-streets/

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Courtney Thompson — who in addition to being a purported member of the crew’s Fresh Gangstas subset is the son of a Department of Correction captain —

SO.. Officer Thompson, how long has your son been a gang member?

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But our district attorneys are almost universally refusing to prosecute these same offenses

Maybe they need to get some water buckets thrown on them, or some asshole in their face telling them to suck his dick. No doubt they would want the POLICE to intervene and save their sorry sacks....or maybe they would oblige and suck his dick

On the TV shows (yeah I know!) the cops will fail to show up to court for a couple days to punish the DA's office. Is that really a thing and could the NYPD use it to get some leverage over those hacks?

Doesn't work like that.
As an Officer, me not showing up to court lets the bad guy go and I catch some discipline. From a reprimand to suspension days...

State's / District Attorney's are much like Cops. ***MOST*** of them are phenomenal people, and do a great job putting together cases, and trying to score convictions and serious prison time. But the head State/District Attny and the ones they appoint, those are the problem children.

Blue flu for a week. Let the animals take over then watch the left leaning politicians dance. Bastards! It's the same in all large cities.

N.Y. needs a new tradition. You run up and kick DeBlasio in the ass.

I have been watching this story develop since the video was first posted and believe this is a bellwether event for law enforcement agencies nationally. Each of the 17,000 law enforcement agencies in the U.S. has a culture of its own based upon past experiences, traditions, law, characteristics of the communities they serve, agency leadership, the political climate they operate in as well as many other factors. And video has changed everything.

Agency cultures vary greatly across the country but most would claim to adhere to common core values of pride, integrity, and courage. Indeed, we most often become outraged with law enforcement when the police violate those core values. Watching the videos of the officers being battered and their reactions, I had to ask, what is it in the culture of that department that gave the thugs the idea that they could get away with it? What is it in the culture of the department that caused the officers to react in the way that they did? Does the real responsibility fall on training programs, agency policy, first line supervision, upper level management, or higher? Or, could it be that the officers were in a no win situation and the best response was to leave and come back at the thugs later on their own terms?

I am sure these incidents are being discussed in staff meetings and coffee breaks in every department in the country, as well as government administration offices. The question they are asking themselves has to be, is this who we want to be as a law enforcement agency, is this the image we want to project? Administration officials have to be asking themselves, WTF is going on in our communities? I expect there will be strong declarations from most department heads such as, "don't let that shit happen here". Policies and training will follow. But force alone is not a solution and it is a prickly path. Officers must use restraint in their use of force. There was a time when I first entered policing that there would have been an attitude correction for everyone involved and the booking photos would show it. Nowadays the same response would probably result in criminal charges against the officers.

My gut tells me that the best response here would have been for leadership to have sent the cavalry in there and made mass arrests to make a point, but would probably have been criticized by the media for overreaction. We have a great training film and will be discussing the incident for years.

Good post, HayesGreener.

Something that we must keep in mind is that the “cultures” of various police agencies are ultimately the result of the culture of the community at large that hires the police to do things its individual members can’t or don’t want to do. This simple fact is unfortunately largely unrecognized by most of American society’s members and evidently even by many people who post their strong opinions about the police on the Internet. The police are hired not only to do those jobs, but also to do them in certain ways.

If Chick-fil-A and McDonald’s employees exhibit different behaviors toward their customers, it’s because they are expected, or not expected as the case may be, to behave differently by the people who hired them.

American culture as a whole, and law enforcement culture in particular have changed significantly in the 70+ years I’ve lived here, and much has been for the good: I am extremely grateful for the facts that I’m no longer asked “Smoking or nonsmoking?” in restaurants and during air travel, and that it’s no longer acceptable to turn vicious dogs and fire hoses on peaceful demonstrators.
But much has not been an improvement, IMO, and I know that many of the things I am not happy about make many other people unhappy as well.

The question, though, is what can be done about the unfortunate changes that have occurred even within the past 20 years? The first obvious fact is that that statement is a classic example of begging the question because it assumes that there have been unfortunate changes; what is unfortunate to me is progress to countless others. For many people it’s far more important to know that Thomas Jefferson owned slaves than what beneficial contributions he made to the founding of the nation.

And my answer to What can be done? is I don’t have the slightest idea.

Things change for countless reasons, and turning the clock back would require overturning a large number of them. That seldom happens outside totalitarian regimes, and whenever I think of the question I’m reminded of a quote from This Kind of War by T.R. Fehrenbach:
“Without its tough spearmen, Hellenic culture would have had nothing to give the world. It would not have lasted long enough. When Greek culture became so sophisticated that its common men would no longer fight to the death, as at Thermopylae, but became devious and clever, a horde of Roman farm boys overran them.”

Were there Greeks who saw what was happening and anticipated the consequences? No doubt. Were they able to do anything about it? …

It's clever in that it humiliates the officers, but is too mild an attack to be met with lethal force, or even a taser or nightstick. "It's just a bucket of water."

But the nature of this game is that they will need to ramp it up. And at that point, bring out the tasers.

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It's clever in that it humiliates the officers, but is too mild an attack to be met with lethal force, or even a taser or nightstick. "It's just a bucket of water."

They know it is a bucket of water...but the officer doesn't know what it is.
I wouldn't convict if they used "whatever force necessary" to protect themselves.

Likely most people will learn all of the wrong lessons from this. We should be sure to learn the right ones and prepare accordingly.

That sunuvabitch who's name shall never be uttered from my lips is responsible for ALLLLL this bullshit with his "Beer Summit" some years ago. That drew the line in the sand right there! That smug sack of fecal matter thought he was being soooooo smart. Just eff him and the horse on which he rode...

^^^^^

And if he has any relatives in Kenya, fuck them too!

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I had to ask, what is it in the culture of that department that gave the thugs the idea that they could get away with it?

It's not just agency culture. Overall lack of consequences is a growing trend in our nationwide collective culture.

Last I read, three arrests have been made in the first bucket incident. I'll be surprised if they are even charged. Anyone think those punks are going to do jail time? Maybe they take a plea. Maybe. A fine they won't pay and time served for the inconvenience of being arrested and booked.

How many prosecutors won't even file on anything less that a mid-grade, violent felony? (And that better be a stone-cold lock. Can't be fucking up a conviction rate).

Everybody wants law and order until it's time to actually do what law and order sometimes requires. Then it's OMG WE CANT HAVE THE POLICE DOING THAT IT OFFENDS MUH SENSABILITIES!!!111!! HE DON"T DESERVE TO HAVE HIS LIFE RUINED FOR A MISTAKE!!!1!!!!1 THIS IS RAAACCISSSST!!!111!

More and more we are becoming a population of spoiled pussies. We want what we want, but we don't want to have to work for it, fight for it, look at the result(s) of it, or accept the consequences for it.

Off topic, but relevant...it is one of the major variables driving this shitty culture today.

Again...I give you Mrs. Hara Estroff Marano.



Wake up, America: We’re raising a nation of wimps.

Hara Marano, editor-at-large and the former editor-in-chief of Psychology Today, has been watching a disturbing trend: kids are growing up to be wimps. They can’t make their own decisions, cope with anxiety, or handle difficult emotions without going off the deep end. Teens lack leadership skills. College students engage in deadly binge drinking. Graduates can’t even negotiate their own salaries without bringing mom or dad in for a consult. Why? Because hothouse parents raise teacup children—brittle and breakable, instead of strong and resilient. This crisis threatens to destroy the fabric of our society, to undermine both our democracy and economy. Without future leaders or daring innovators, where will we go? So what can be done?

kids would play in the street until their mothers hailed them for supper, and unless a child was called into the principal’s office, parents and teachers met only at organized conferences. Nowadays, parents are involved in every aspect of their children’s lives—even going so far as using technology to monitor what their kids eat for lunch at school and accompanying their grown children on job interviews. What is going on?

Hothouse parenting has hit the mainstream—with disastrous effects. Parents are going to ludicrous lengths to take the lumps and bumps out of life for their children, but the net effect of parental hyperconcern and scrutiny is to make kids more fragile. When the real world isn’t the discomfort-free zone kids are accustomed to, they break down in myriad ways. Why is it that those who want only the best for their kids wind up bringing out the worst in them? There is a mental health crisis on college campuses these days, with alarming numbers of students engaging in self-destructive behaviors like binge drinking and cutting or disconnecting through depression.

A Nation of Wimps is the first book to connect the dots between overparenting and the social crisis of the young. Psychology expert Hara Marano reveals how parental overinvolvement hinders a child’s development socially, emotionally, and neurologically. Children become overreactive to stress because they were never free to discover what makes them happy in the first place.

Through countless hours of painstaking research and interviews, Hara Marano focuses on the whys and how of this crisis and then turns to what we can do about it in this thought-provoking and groundbreaking book.

I wish someone would throw a bucket of water on Deblasio. His NYPD security officers would arrest them before the first drop hit the ground.

Nice gesture. Good video at the link.

http://brooklyn.news12.com/sto...XT0AV0OzB2Y.facebook

Canarsie volunteers wash police cars in response to officer water attacks

CANARSIE -
A group of Canarsie volunteers spent Saturday washing police cars as a thank you to NYPD officers.

The volunteers wanted to show respect after multiple officers in the city were doused by buckets of water earlier this week.



One volunteer says he hopes activities like this will help to strengthen the relationship between the community and the officers.

Commanding Officer Terrell Anderson of the 69th Precinct says he doesn't believe the water attacks reflect the community as a whole.

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It's clever in that it humiliates the officers, but is too mild an attack to be met with lethal force, or even a taser or nightstick. "It's just a bucket of water."

They know it is a bucket of water...but the officer doesn't know what it is.
I wouldn't convict if they used "whatever force necessary" to protect themselves.

Just wait until one of them fill a bucket with piss and shit, paint, or chemicals.

It’s the cool new thing

What part of that is NOT assault by a fucking MOB?? Just infuriating...