Wife's Hyundai Sonata wouldn't stop slamming on brakes just cruising under normal power. Damn thing through something was stopped in front of it and it would just lock down the brakes for no reason while you are cruising along. Happened half a dozen times and they couldn't fix it.

Took them 10 months but they FINALLY bought it back under lemon laws. Freaking scary to have your car lock down for no reason on it's own.

Others beat me to it. The application of the brakes instead of coasting down hill is the other deal breaker for me. I don’t know if it is now mandated or a ‘safety’ feature, but it is another reason I rarely use CC/ACC.

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Originally posted by ftttu:
Others beat me to it. The application of the brakes instead of coasting down hill is the other deal breaker for me. I don’t know if it is now mandated or a ‘safety’ feature, but it is another reason I rarely use CC/ACC.

But that's not even limited to ACC, I've driven cars pre-ACC that would brake downhill.

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
If it's a 2020+, the lane departure should function without the cruise active, but the lane centering requires cruise active.
Centering works pretty well in my 2020 Limited, the departure just vibrates the steering wheel if you're riding the lines. But, I have mine [departure] set to low assist IIRC.

Lane departure you say? It's a 2022. I'm going to have to check that out when I get home tomorrow. I don't recall seeing that, but maybe I turned it off because the steering wheel never vibrates. The centering works great. I'm used to driving my truck and the steering is vague at best with the Continental highway tires I put on it. Then, I get in my wife's Explorer ST with the Pirellis and the monster brakes. The slightest movement of the steering wheel and off it goes. It's a good thing my kids wear their seat belts. If they didn't and I hit the brakes like I do in my truck, they'd go through the windshield.

The Telluride had lane centering that wasn't tied to the ACC, but it was tied to the lane departure. I hated the Telluride's lane departure. It would steer me back into the lane when I was trying to go around the mailman, bicyclists, garbage truck, etc.

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Originally posted by P250UA5:

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Originally posted by ftttu:
Others beat me to it. The application of the brakes instead of coasting down hill is the other deal breaker for me. I don’t know if it is now mandated or a ‘safety’ feature, but it is another reason I rarely use CC/ACC.

But that's not even limited to ACC, I've driven cars pre-ACC that would brake downhill.

I need to somehow check if this is the case on my 2023 Ridgeline. I believe it may downshift going down hills to hold back but I don't know about braking? I know my 2019 Corolla with manual transmission doesn't brake when in conventional cruise, and certainly doesn't shift.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

I hated the Telluride's lane departure. It would steer me back into the lane when I was trying to go around the mailman, bicyclists, garbage truck, etc.

Lane departure system on my 2020 Ford Escape is deactivated when the turn signal is in use.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
If it's a 2020+, the lane departure should function without the cruise active, but the lane centering requires cruise active.
Centering works pretty well in my 2020 Limited, the departure just vibrates the steering wheel if you're riding the lines. But, I have mine [departure] set to low assist IIRC.

Lane departure you say? It's a 2022. I'm going to have to check that out when I get home tomorrow. I don't recall seeing that, but maybe I turned it off because the steering wheel never vibrates. The centering works great. I'm used to driving my truck and the steering is vague at best with the Continental highway tires I put on it. Then, I get in my wife's Explorer ST with the Pirellis and the monster brakes. The slightest movement of the steering wheel and off it goes. It's a good thing my kids wear their seat belts. If they didn't and I hit the brakes like I do in my truck, they'd go through the windshield.

The Telluride had lane centering that wasn't tied to the ACC, but it was tied to the lane departure. I hated the Telluride's lane departure. It would steer me back into the lane when I was trying to go around the mailman, bicyclists, garbage truck, etc.

Should be a button on the end of the blinker stalk to toggle the departure warning, you'll get a yellow then red indicator in the cluster along with a steering wheel vibration.



Cluster lines, on a Limited, the ST I think has the full digital cluter, so a little different but same concept

The more I read of this nanny crap on cars, the more I'm determined to keep my 2009 car as long as possible

Ok. Adaptive cruise control is awesome. On my car (Subaru) it is smooth and I set the following distance I want. It is a great tool to combat fatigue on longer drives. Lane departure can be as simple as a beep beep warning or actively turn the car back into lane. You easily set what level you like. Those functions are set once and they stick till you change them. I don’t like the active lane centering. The nanny feature of applying brakes in an imminent collision has without a doubt saved my wife and daughter from an accident at minimum or injury at worst. Nanny features also tell you of vehicles crossing behind you as you back up well before you can see them.

You guys can complain about this stuff all you want. You’re nuts. This shit has gotten good and could/will save you injury and money. If you don’t like certain aspects, turn it off. The more passive stuff like rear traffic crossing warnings, I can’t honestly imagine the scenario where you wouldn’t want it. It is like having someone stand behind your car telling you when cars are coming that you can’t possibly see.

The more active stuff I agree can be distracting or counterproductive. That stuff turns off and stays off on most cars unless you want it.

Don’t dismiss safety technology. Do you really hate that backup camera? That used to be a nanny system too, until you got used to having it when parking or backing up. Now I would love to have the front camera as well. Lol

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Ok. Adaptive cruise control is awesome. On my car (Subaru) it is smooth and I set the following distance I want. It is a great tool to combat fatigue on longer drives.

The long drive fatigue is a huge plus.
We took our Expedition to Denver for Christmas last year & makes the long stretches of nothing a lot easier.

Please just give me plain old cruise control. There is a huge difference in how various manufacturers implement these "features".

All this stuff may or may not work well on a car you drive regularly and are accustomed to, but they're a total pain in the butt if you travel regularly for business and use different rental car types, for a few days at a time, with multiple variants of these controls.

I find myself regularly disabling said control(s) so I can just drive the dang thing myself because I have no idea of what a car is going to try to do on its own... I have no desire to "learn" how a car I'll never drive again works.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
The Telluride had lane centering that wasn't tied to the ACC, but it was tied to the lane departure. I hated the Telluride's lane departure. It would steer me back into the lane when I was trying to go around the mailman, bicyclists, garbage truck, etc.

My GMC Denali does that, you can turn it off if you don't want the lane centering option, or, anytime you are changing lanes just use the turn signal, (which we should always do but don't) and it won't push back.

I have the option to set following distance, first time I drove it the thing was set for it's farthest detection, damn thing hit the brakes hard at freeway speeds, figured out I could close that cap, it's now set at NASCAR spacing.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
The Telluride had lane centering that wasn't tied to the ACC, but it was tied to the lane departure. I hated the Telluride's lane departure. It would steer me back into the lane when I was trying to go around the mailman, bicyclists, garbage truck, etc.

My GMC Denali does that, you can turn it off if you don't want the lane centering option, or, anytime you are changing lanes just use the turn signal, (which we should always do but don't) and it won't push back.

I have the option to set following distance, first time I drove it the thing was set for it's farthest detection, damn thing hit the brakes hard at freeway speeds, figured out I could close that cap, it's now set at NASCAR spacing.

I've learned how to 'game' the ACC in my cars.
If I have a good gap, I'll let it follow closely, but if I see things backing up ahead, I'll kick it out to the farthest setting so it'll start slowing sooner & not just toss out the anchor at the last minute.

Also, in tow mode, it extends all following distances by a good bit, so the 2nd closest in Tow mode is like the farthest in normal mode.

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I hated the Telluride's lane departure. It would steer me back into the lane when I was trying to go around the mailman, bicyclists, garbage truck, etc.

This and all the other shit cannot gauge the intent of the driver or anticipate every situation.

Ok boomer. I kid, I kid. Seriously though, when you go car shopping nowadays you need to try out the features as they are intended. Some manufacturers do them wonderfully, some do not. I have stated before that my wife's Toyota (2014) is a bit rough on these features so I turn them off/don't use them. On my last 3 Subarus, of which I still have 2, the features are smoothly implemented and easily turned off, as in completely off. The only nanny feature you can't turn off is the imminent collision stuff and honestly I believe you can actually turn that off but I think that is plain stupid so I have never investigated.

If cars I owned braked without any threat I would pepper that manufacturer with warranty claims or get a new car. I have owned multiple cars with that pre collision stuff (4, 3 Subaru, 1 Toyota) and none of my family has ever had the experiences described above. They have been helped by that system so I consider it a win.

Can't do anything about guys renting cars, tough luck there. As for your own car, do your homework. I have literally (with a salesman sitting next to me) had every safety feature shown in real time. Backed into a hedge to show the rear braking (didn't like that, didn't buy that), lane centering (I turn it off, don't like), lane departure (generally useful), ACC (went on highway and tried all the settings, accelerated towards cars and everything, it works extremely well), rear traffic alert (genius). It is now part of what you are looking for when you test drive a car in todays world. If you don't, you might find out the hard way you don't like how they implement stuff.

Good news is that every generation of car stuff is generally getting better. I highly doubt many newer cars are panic braking for no reason. Even better news is almost all of it can be turned off once. I just wish that stupid auto stop feature was a one and done. I have to turn that off every trip and invariably I forget and the car turns off, drives me bananas. What a stupid fucking system that seems to be on every vehicle now. Ugh.

(I will also say that as nice looking and driving those Korean cars are they also don't strike me as Toyota quality, yet. Notice a couple of the big complaints in this thread are Kia's and Hyundai's. I personally stick to the big 3, Toyota (wife), Honda, Subaru)

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Originally posted by P250UA5:

But that's not even limited to ACC, I've driven cars pre-ACC that would brake downhill.

Our 2020 Audi uses brakes downhill for regular cruise control. I wish it just went to idle throttle and downshift if possible instead.

I will say on my Model 3 the "Autopilot" is basically cruise control mixed with lane hold. It's amazing. Especially if you get caught in some bumper to bumper 10 mph on the freeway action.

That's where it really shines. Cruising at 80mph I just don't trust the cars to do what they are supposed to. I'd rather take control.

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Originally posted by trapper189:

I hated the Telluride's lane departure. It would steer me back into the lane when I was trying to go around the mailman, bicyclists, garbage truck, etc.

Lane departure system on my 2020 Ford Escape is deactivated when the turn signal is in use.

That’s how it works with on the Telluride and the Explorer as well. I’m probably doing it wrong, but I’ve never in my life signaled when going around the mailman, bicyclist, garbage truck, pedestrian, etc. on a residential street.

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Originally posted by P250UA5:
Should be a button on the end of the blinker stalk to toggle the departure warning, you'll get a yellow then red indicator in the cluster along with a steering wheel vibration.

You’re right! Thank you. I gave it a try taking my kids to school this morning. It’s not nearly as obtrusive as the Telluride’s was. It doesn’t do anything until you are on the line and it’s more of a gentle nudge back into the lane even set to the highest level. I also had it set for alert and assist.

On a side note, Wednesday and Thursday I drove 1,600 miles again without any nanny assistance. I didn’t use the regular old cruise control once. I don’t understand why, but this was the most traffic for the trip as whole that I’ve ever experienced. Left lane and center lane campers everywhere from Michigan to Florida. Towing a tandem jetski trailer, I would have really liked lane centering though. I keep the truck between the lines with no trouble, but the trailer is quite a bit wider.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
On a side note, Wednesday and Thursday I drove 1,600 miles again without any nanny assistance. I didn’t use the regular old cruise control once. I don’t understand why, but this was the most traffic for the trip as whole that I’ve ever experienced. Left lane and center lane campers everywhere from Michigan to Florida. Towing a tandem jetski trailer, I would have really liked lane centering though. I keep the truck between the lines with no trouble, but the trailer is quite a bit wider.

My issue with lane centering & a trailer wider than the vehicle.
At least in my Explorer, it tends to favor the right side of the lane, which nearly puts the trailer tires on the line.

Our Subaru does and it’s not the adaptive version. I think it uses rear brakes to keep you from going over the set speed like when you go downhill.