Question for the OP: Are you using the ACC in daily driving stop and go traffic?


Cut and paste from owners manual:

The ACC system is only an aid to assist the driver and is not a collision warning or avoidance device. It is recommended for highway use only and it is not intended for city driving. It is the driver’s responsibility to stay alert, drive safely, and be in control of the vehicle at all time

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Originally posted by gpbst3:
Question for the OP: Are you using the ACC in daily driving stop and go traffic?


Cut and paste from owners manual:

The ACC system is only an aid to assist the driver and is not a collision warning or avoidance device. It is recommended for highway use only and it is not intended for city driving. It is the driver’s responsibility to stay alert, drive safely, and be in control of the vehicle at all time

I take that as a CYA statement by the mfg.
It works decently well in stop/go traffic, if you're paying attention

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Originally posted by P250UA5:

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Originally posted by gpbst3:
Question for the OP: Are you using the ACC in daily driving stop and go traffic?


Cut and paste from owners manual:

The ACC system is only an aid to assist the driver and is not a collision warning or avoidance device. It is recommended for highway use only and it is not intended for city driving. It is the driver’s responsibility to stay alert, drive safely, and be in control of the vehicle at all time

I take that as a CYA statement by the mfg.
It works decently well in stop/go traffic, if you're paying attention

I can confirm it works in stop and go traffic but like the OP stated, he burned through the rear pads. Maybe its not intended for city driving because it does not function the same way as applying the brake pedal.

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Originally posted by egregore:
The more I read of this nanny crap on cars, the more I'm determined to keep my 2009 car as long as possible

This guy gets it. Keeping my wife's 2014 X-1 on the road for the same reason. Trouble is, insurance companies are raising rates on these older cars because of repair parts costs and the fact they don't have the nanny features.

After having a 22 Grand Cherokee and a 22 Audi A5, both with every nanny available, I recently traded in the GC for a 23 Gladiator. Even though I got an upper level trim (Mojave) I specifically got one nanny free. And I don't miss them at all. I actually feel in control.

Lol. When I back out between two huge pickup trucks in the Home Depot parking lot and the nanny feature warns me of a car that is impossible to see before it’s too late, I feel more in control than just “hoping” there isn’t a car speeding down the lane.

I’ve never heard so many complaints about safety features that actually work in my life. I am a professional aviator by profession. I am sure glad the aircraft manufacturers don’t act like you guys. Lol. I like warnings before shit hits the fan.

Do you guys hate air bags too?

One of the things that bothered me with my GC was if I was backing out of my driveway and my garbage cans were at the end but just off the side of the driveway on garbage day my vehicle wouldn't let me back out unless I shut that system off. It would keep stopping on it's own and I couldnt get off the driveway, even though I knew there was enough room to get by. I don't hate the features, I guess at this point I'm a little "old school" and don't trust computers to make decisions concerning my safety when driving. I do appreciate airbags, back up cameras and some of the other tech. I have also had a close call with the Audi trying to avoid a kid that fell into the roadway. I tried to swerve left to avoid him and because I was going over the line to my left the car fought me and pulled me back towards him.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Lol. When I back out between two huge pickup trucks in the Home Depot parking lot and the nanny feature warns me of a car that is impossible to see before it’s too late, I feel more in control than just “hoping” there isn’t a car speeding down the lane.

I’ve never heard so many complaints about safety features that actually work in my life. I am a professional aviator by profession. I am sure glad the aircraft manufacturers don’t act like you guys. Lol. I like warnings before shit hits the fan.

Do you guys hate air bags too?

1. I’ve never had an air bag screw things up for me while I was driving.

2. I drive one of those trucks you mentioned and can see everything around me just fine.

3. The collision warning, loud noises and flashing red screens, on the wife’s Explorer are a complete and total distraction causing my eyes to shift from the road ahead, where my eyes should be if there truly was an impending collision, to the dash gauges screen or the screen to the right.

4. I’m not complaining about safety features that work well.

As counter example of #4 above: the feature on my wife’s Explorer that automatically hits the brakes while you are backing up to, in theory, prevent you from backing into something. That was great when I was backing up to a trailer the first time. Or backing up in tallish grass. Turning it off/on is three menus deep. That it prevented me from doing normal things without having to turn it off was a hassle I could live with. When it was on and didn’t do anything until after I backed into another vehicle is ridiculous. $1,094 damage to the Explorer and probably about the same to the other vehicle. I screwed up, 100% my fault, but there wasn’t a single beep or tap of the brakes from the nanny system. I think I’m allowed to be frustrated with that.

And nosticks should be frustrated that the ACC on his car caused the rear pads to wear out at 16,000 miles.

What you are describing is the fact that you bought a car (Expedition) without appropriately checking out the features before you signed on the dotted line. An expensive lesson. I might have done the same thing but the salesman I dealt with for years walked me through all the nanny stuff in real time. It saved me a bunch of money and frustration.

With the advent of all kinds of nanny or safety systems it is absolutely a requirement to figure out how they work, how or if you can turn them off, and which ones you won't buy a car with. I mentioned earlier that Subaru sells a rear braking feature ala your garbage can scenario. I hated it. I bought one without that feature because I hated it. You bought it and then figured out you hated it. It is a new paradigm. One more item on the new car buying checklist.

I don't care how big your truck is there can always be a bigger one blocking your view. Pretending like you and your truck can somehow see through and around solid objects is a silly argument. Rear alerts are never a bad thing, rear braking I can do without. No one has come up with a scenario where a rear alert of a vehicle or obstacle you can't see is somehow a bad thing.

My point? I know what all the safety features on my vehicle are. I know how to turn all of them off (not sure about the pre collision but I think I could) if I don't like them. Buy the right car and you only turn them off once.

I have heard of these phantom panic braking events. I would raise holy hell with the manufacturer to the point of selling that vehicle if they couldn't solve it. Since the advent of these features I have owned a Toyota Highlander, Rav4, Subaru Forester, and 2 Crosstreks. All of them have had the "nanny" stuff. Never has anyone in my family had such an event. I truly think the better car companies do it better. Subaru does it very well, Toyota is slightly behind in my experience but still pretty good. I am not shocked that Ford has events like these, I have never been overly impressed with any Ford (yes I have had multiples including one that was bought back by Ford under Lemon Law stuff).

The part about my truck was tongue-in-cheek, mostly. The reality of my truck is I back into or pull through parking spaces. It’s just easier. The mirrors on the trick are fantastic. I can see my blind spots, what’s next to my trailers, and where the truck’s rear wheels and trailers’ wheels are in relation to the lines.

I had no choice in nanny features for my wife’s vehicle. They both came with them standard. It’s fair to critically evaluate their performance over a period of time and note any deficiencies. The Telluride was the first and now the Explorer. The dealers don’t let you drive them around for a month before you sign the dotted line.

Certainly, no dealer would let you put 16,000 miles on to figure out the rear brake pads would wear prematurely from using a nanny feature as was nosticks’ case.

Talking about how these things work or don’t are legitimate points to discuss. We can all benefit from others experiences without a thorough checklist and/or one month pre-purchase evaluation period, no? That doesn’t mean people are complaining about them.

It’s good you know how your vehicles work. I’m still learning.

I was trying to say that in the "old" days it was easy to test drive a car. See how it looks, drive it around, take in on the freeway to test acceleration, listen to the radio. If you liked that stuff you buy the car. Nowadays there are a couple new checklist items you need to preflight.

The only thing I totally disagree with you on is that while they won't let you take the car for a month, most people act like the test drive is to the corner and back. Fuck that. You make that salesman show in detail all the nanny features and how to shut them off. Then take that car and drive it for as long as you need. Don't take the salesman on that drive, leave him and go figure out if you can live/not live with the features.

I still will push back on the rear alert stuff. Mirrors can't see through stuff and you can't always pull through or back in. The backup camera is a win for consumers. So is the rear cross traffic alert.

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Originally posted by pedropcola:

The backup camera is a win for consumers. So is the rear cross traffic alert.

ABSOLUTELY! I just recently got my first vehicle with these features. Can't believe what I was missing. Life is so much easier with them. The local Publix parking lot, for example. Pedestrians and other drivers totally ignore the fact that back-up lights are on and a vehicle is backing out of a parking slot, with the driver not able to see everything. The rear cross-traffic alert is a real help.