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Ammoholic |
This for sure. Complete black eye. If you saw his stream, you'd probably think the guy had some kind of mental defect anyways. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
I want you to describe to me what you envision this nation to be without police officers to enforce the law. Which laws? Any laws. All laws. Humor me. Briefly describe what this country would be like if police departments in every state, county, city and township simply ceased to function. You have 8500 posts and more than 15 years in this forum. You're vested in this place. I expect that you will not simply refrain from responding. Have the courtesy to give me an answer- a direct answer to my question, not a politician's answer. Don't tell me that I'm missing your point. Please just give me a straight answer. What would the United States be like if the police ceased to be? ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Bolt Thrower |
I have never stated that there shouldn’t be LEO or laws. Ownership of enforcing both the good and the bad is all I ask. We all know that they don’t make or pass laws. But we also know that it won’t be politicians or bureaucrats coming to enforce them. Hoping that the police won’t enforce these laws is a 50/50, but the gun confiscation after Katrina was a wake up call to many. Para you were correct in your earlier post about gunsngear being unsettled due to his states flipping blue. My state is also blue. Policing isn’t the same here as red states, it doesn’t make sense. And if you want a straight answer of how things would be without law enforcement, probably insane balkanization, violence and victimization. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
You cannot possibly believe that police officers have control over this, and I'm not referring to discretionary latitude of whether or not to write a traffic ticket. How long would a police officer keep his job if he decided to behave as you suggest? You're condemning police officers for things over which they have no control. Short of leaving the profession altogether, they are sworn to uphold the law. You know this. Everything else is merely pie in the sky. So, if you want to hold it against the police that they enforce the law, then the only alternative is for there to be no police at all, and you know without any doubt that that is never going to happen. So, let's be reasonable, please. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Dinosaur |
Emotionally driven people are easy to manipulate and emotions are running high in general lately. | |||
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| Member |
I saw this run up over the weekend and don't know what to make of it. Honestly I don't trust the media at all nor would I trust NY law enforcement since they're all under the rule of queen Cuomo. Whatever actually happened that night got buried. Regardless of what actually happened, fuck red flag laws. NY is so messed up that possession of a standard magazine nets you a more severe felony charge than if you had child porn on your computer. | |||
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| That rug really tied the room together.  |
I spend the night and much of the morning the next day reading facespace, twitter, instascam postings on this. The amount of anti police rhetoric was alarming. No facts, dont know whats going on, but people melting down, losing their minds, and wanting to slaughter cops by the dozens. And as we found out, the guy was a complete headcase. The actual facts that that i have been able to piece together so far, from what I've heard, the guy is a drunk abusive PTSD veteran husband who pointed a gun at his wife and kid. He was possibly arrested for that. The police (or parents or someone) confiscated all his guns. He moved out of his marital house into a garage apartment. His wife moved out into her parents house because she is afraid of him. Dude breaks into the wife's parents house to confront her, and steals some items in the process. The police subsequently get an arrest warrant for his arrest, attempt to serve it. He answers the door in full military plate carrier, and cops back out, call swat, and have a barricaded gunman situation. Police hear gunfire, and await SWAT. SWAT secures the permiter, brings in negotiators. Dude goes apeshit on social media, lies about red flag and possession of 30 round mags, says their will be blood shed. Finally gives up after a few hours, to include the police promising him that he wont face any charges related to his little barricaded stunt. Does this sound like a sane individual, that we should as a gun community, get behind and "protect" or protest his arrest and handling by law enforcement? He sounds like an epic douche. One last point, the boogaloo boys and 4chan trolls that were instigating this by the thousands.... I read hundreds/thousands of post. Lots of post calling for violence against law enforcement. Not one person with a brain, not a single person, called for actually addressing the problem... The law makers that actually make these red flag laws that these folks are not happy about. The cops are the low man on the totem pole, have nothing to do with the passage of laws, yet no one offered any comments about the law makers that pass these laws. Not flooding their offices with calls and emails, not protesting the law makers, nothing. Lets blame the cops. Cops, cops, cops.... these idiots dont understand the big picture. ______________________________________________________ Often times a very small man can cast a very large shadow | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower |
I wasn't aware of any of it. I know about this incident only because of this thread. I wonder what I would have made of it had I witnessed it in real time. One thing I can say to a certainty, and that's that I wouldn't have been calling for police officers to be shot. It seems that some of our fellow gun rights advocates have been exposed to too much of the battle and they've gone a bit crazy. And it doesn't surprise me in the least to hear of the anti-police radicals capitalizing on such an incident. It seems to me that live-streaming to the world from your living room, while a technology that some of us couldn't even imagine a few years ago, has no real, legitimate need (say what you will about this opinion), and that this, combined with the opportunity for deception on the part of the broadcaster and for overreaction on the part of viewers, makes live-streaming, in essence, a bad thing. I can just hear the shouts now about the First Amendment, but the technology infrastructure for live streaming comes from corporations, and users must agree to terms of use. I'm certain that the TOS are extensive and cover this type of thing, but if someone wants to violate the TOS, nothing can be done about it quickly enough to stop the kind of incident we're now discussing. A while back, I was at a traffic light, looked over at the car next to me and there was this guy live-streaming. I saw someone doing it in the freaking grocery store a couple of weeks ago, and it was an older lady talking to- I guess- her husband- "Get some tuna". No, really. WTF? I want to slap the phones out of the hands of these people. A simple phone call or text would be sufficient. Why do you need to see the face of some old guy sitting on his couch, just to talk about grocery shopping? Silly. I just don't think anything worthwhile can come of making this technology so readily available to every dolt with a smart phone. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
We may differ on opinion on occasion, but to this I do not doubt. And I appreciate you for it. | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
We've all seen this in hostage situations, shooter situations, where the mix of live TV, social media, police scanners, live streaming, and commentary from every single angle, gets mixed into one big fucking mess. And is on repeat for the next 48 hours. I have no idea what went down in this situation, I wasn't there. But considering how many fingers were in the pie, so to speak, truth has long been simmered into agenda and perhaps a little entertainment. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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Telecom Ronin |
Well put, I think it is a bellwether to the badness that might (will?) go down. | |||
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