Autoimmune disease...

More attention whoring. Social media is a plague on society. If these people didn’t have this medium to go nuts on I think we’d have less of this bullshit in general.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

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Originally posted by Surefire:
Total cluster. Some respectable members of the gun community made fools of themselves, and to anyone outside the gun community, just gave them strong arguments for red flag laws to save society from the “gun nuts”. Sigh.

It could also mean that if you try and take some dudes guns, a buncha other dudes will show up sometimes.

Or you can commit any crimes you want, all you have to do is scream “because red flag” and others will call to have the police murdered.

Yeah, that’s the ticket.

Show up to some dudes house, whom I've never met, in the middle of the night, with guns because police may be there serving a warrant or red flag, because some other dude on the internet, who I have also never met, suggested it..?

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:

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Originally posted by Surefire:
Total cluster. Some respectable members of the gun community made fools of themselves, and to anyone outside the gun community, just gave them strong arguments for red flag laws to save society from the “gun nuts”. Sigh.

It could also mean that if you try and take some dudes guns, a buncha other dudes will show up sometimes.

Or it could mean that if you're a woman abuser and you don't want to go to jail, false red flag your fake victimhood to some nuts and they might show up. You know. As long as we're speculating.

I'll admit, when I saw those posts Saturday night, I went to bed a bit agitated. Was this guy being railroaded? Then I remembered my rule and fell soundly asleep. I didn't post or comment on anything I saw. Wait... wait for the story to come out.

gunsandgear dude totally screwed up. Colion screwed up by posting the information. (At least Colion used the qualifier "IF this is true.")

I had a rule when I was actively writing for a conservative blog associated with a talk radio show. Wait to get as full of a picture as you can before you post anything. With that rule in place, I never screwed anything up like this stupid shit.

I wasted hours prepping stories and writing drafts before eventually killing it (before publication) because the source material(s) was found to be garbage after some research. Often, I would totally change the story and call out the original story teller. Example: I lost all faith in Jim Hoft from Gateway Pundit due to some garbage he would post. (Remember the BLM "Day of Rage" planned for the summer of 2016?)

Dan Bonginio has implemented what he refers to as a "wait 24 to 48 hours" rule. It's a good idea.

Here's something I wrote back in 2016.

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You're getting your news wrong, all wrong
... I’m not certain if I’m embarrassed for my fellow man, or ticked off at the ignorance many display when they find – and then share – the “news” read in a Facebook post, Instagram meme or other “news” websites. Take a step back from the keyboard and say this out-loud any time you’re about to comment, or share a news item or meme you find on the Internet. ...

“Most of the stuff I read on the Internet is total bullshit.”

Then, if the story seems over-the-top or contains any quote from Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders, President Obama, or just about anything to do with guns, say this out-loud.

“This is certainly total bullshit.”

My approach may seem extreme, but it’s the only way we’ll save ourselves from total embarrassment.

In this case, there was no reason to "go live" on social media and stir up all the shit that happened. I saw the same comments Jones saw ... bloody disgrace. We still have a good legal system in place that can wash this out properly. There are organizations that will support people and raise funds. Lawsuits can happen. Deal with it in the court system.

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Originally posted by enidpd804:

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Originally posted by motoboy:

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Originally posted by jljones:
mrgunsandgear Yeager'd himself last night when he called for people to go to the scene and murder police officers, calling them "traitors", if the screen shot of his social media I saw is true.

His explanation is good enough for me.

[FLASH_VIDEO]<iframe frameborder="0" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/zbekg_kHpwg" width="560"></iframe>[/FLASH_VIDEO]

Is it?

70660020_10157934529654388_8526236919875502080_n by enidpd804, on Flickr

He only showed the top part of this screenshot in his video.

Oops.

Extremely disappointing.

This will only serve as ammunition for the antis. And I virtually guarantee you all of the people that ran with this will double down and claim, as MrGunsNGear does in his spin video, that it might have been fake this time but "we all know ________ (insert whatever jackbooted injustice you'd like here)." And why am I willing to guarantee that? Because it's the same BS that giant anti-police movement pulls every time some criminal gets killed doing criminal stuff, the social media idiots claim it's "another murder", and then get proven wrong..."well it may be true that this particular idiot did whatever criminal thing the mean old polices say he did, but we all know they be killing people all the time."

Sorry if this comes across as curt, but it's frustrating to see intelligent folks with a little bit of a stage and a following in our community be so easily suckered.

I would rather there be an over reaction than under. Red flag laws are ripe for abuse by either an angry spouse or an overzealous government. Cops will bear the brunt of this fascist nonsense if they want to or not. In my state a red flag order was carried out against a white power type guy just because of his politics. None of them should be shocked at a push back.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
I would rather there be an over reaction than under. Red flag laws are ripe for abuse by either an angry spouse or an overzealous government. Cops will bear the brunt of this fascist nonsense if they want to or not. In my state a red flag order was carried out against a white power type guy just because of his politics. None of them should be shocked at a push back.

You want there to be over-reactions? That won't help, it will just do extreme damage. You stated "In my state a red flag order was carried out against a white power type guy just because of his politics." My emphasis.

Where is the link to the story? And I'm not looking for a crappy link to some Infowars-type website whose shtick is to drive traffic with click-bait headlines.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
I would rather there be an over reaction than under. Red flag laws are ripe for abuse by either an angry spouse or an overzealous government. Cops will bear the brunt of this fascist nonsense if they want to or not. In my state a red flag order was carried out against a white power type guy just because of his politics. None of them should be shocked at a push back.

This was not an overreaction. It was an outright lie. Your bigotry towards cops aside, the truth is the truth.

I would hope the City can sue the shit out of the assholes who started this insanity for the cost of the response. Jeez, check the damn facts before trying to incite a riot.

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Originally posted by jljones:
mrgunsandgear Yeager'd himself last night when he called for people to go to the scene and murder police officers, calling them "traitors", if the screen shot of his social media I saw is true.

It's clear that the man made a serious error in judgement, but this is the first such error I've seen from him. He's a member of this forum. He has tons of videos on youtube which are helpful to gun owners and which are entirely rational. One thing to consider is that the man lives in Virginia and with the recent introduction of unconstitutional legislation in his state, he faces the very real possibility of having his firearms taken from him, as well as at least one of his sources of income and I think that this has certainly affected his present state of mind and, apparently, his judgement. I am not defending his severe overreaction and his obvious lack of judgement and self-control in the matter at hand, but to compare him to James Yeager- who endangers the lives of gunowners who attend his classes, with his grandstanding stunts- is entirely unfair, and is simply untrue. Unfair and untrue. mrgunsgear is still welcome in this forum. Everyone makes mistakes. He made one, and he should be embarrassed about it and I would think that this is a one-time occurrence. James Yeager, on the other hand, seems proud of his reckless disregard for the safety of others. In my opinion, there's something wrong with the guy. mrgunsgear, on the other hand, seems like a nice fellow. He lost his head, but he's not a crazed anti-government whacko.

Something is going on in this country and has been going on for some time, and this incident highlights it. You have gunowner advocates such as mrgunsgear and Colion Noir making this trend more obvious, because before this incident, who would have thought that these two guys would behave this way? The United States is heading towards a civil war. Probably, it's not right around the corner. If you study the history of the United States in the decades leading up to the Civil War, incidents related to the conflict which erupted in 1861 can be found going back at least twenty years before Fort Sumter. With the accelerated pace of modern life and with instantaneous global communication a reality, things probably will come to a head more quickly this time around, or it may simmer for ten or twenty years. Either way, what you see in this incident, with normally rational people losing their heads is an indication of the inevitable.

Rather than condemning and shunning these guys- who are in the same fight as us all- take their surprising reactions to this incident as a bellwether. This should give anyone who supports the Constitution in its totality much to ponder.

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Originally posted by steve495:
Where is the link to the story? And I'm not looking for a crappy link to some Infowars-type website whose shtick is to drive traffic with click-bait headlines.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1068956
“Kaleb James Cole was not charged with any crime, but the guns were taken under the state's "red flag" law.”

Remember that the left thinks Trump, and everyone on this forum is a Nazi. They are coming for you next.

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Originally posted by enidpd804:
Your bigotry towards cops aside

Who enforces the constitutionally illegal firearm laws in California, New York, New Jersey, Washington, the NFA act? Who steps aside when told to by politicians to let BLM or Antifa run wild and attack innocent Americans? Execute red flag confiscations? Cops can’t just take the good of their job, pretend the bad doesn’t happen, and expect to get fellated on a forum for pro gun individuals.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1068956
“Kaleb James Cole was not charged with any crime, but the guns were taken under the state's "red flag" law.”

Remember that the left thinks Trump, and everyone on this forum is a Nazi. They are coming for you next.

Unfortunately your example looks like a pretty stupid wannabee Nazi.

I'm tolerant of most points of view, but racial supremacist / Nazis aren't one of them.

You see, they could accuse me of being a Nazi, but I'm not one.

Looks like Cole didn't show up at a following hearing to get his guns back and has been arrested for more general stupidity.

https://www.spokesman.com/stor...-washington-state-f/

I'm not saying I support Red Flag laws either, but I'm not showing up to confront the police for some fuckwad Nazi.

Maybe that makes me a bad person; I think of it as being discerning.

What other political opinions should disqualify people from their rights?

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:

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Originally posted by enidpd804:
Your bigotry towards cops aside

Who enforces the constitutionally illegal firearm laws in California, New York, New Jersey, Washington, the NFA act? Who steps aside when told to by politicians to let BLM or Antifa run wild and attack innocent Americans? Execute red flag confiscations? Cops can’t just take the good of their job, pretend the bad doesn’t happen, and expect to get fellated on a forum for pro gun individuals.

I don't understand how you can be offended when I call you a bigot and respond by making bigoted statements. Am I supposed to take you seriously? Try some introspection.

You’re calling me a bigot for pointing out that cops enforce unjust or illegal laws?

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
You’re calling me a bigot for pointing out that cops enforce unjust or illegal laws?

Jesus, dude.

Enjoy your afternoon.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:
What other political opinions should disqualify people from their rights?

Nazism isn't a political opinion brother, it's a mental disease - if you have it, wake up.

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:

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Originally posted by steve495:
Where is the link to the story? And I'm not looking for a crappy link to some Infowars-type website whose shtick is to drive traffic with click-bait headlines.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1068956
“Kaleb James Cole was not charged with any crime, but the guns were taken under the state's "red flag" law.”

Remember that the left thinks Trump, and everyone on this forum is a Nazi. They are coming for you next.

After some searching, I found the petition concerning Cole. The guy clearly was a Nazi. IMO he's a freaking loon. But I understand free speech includes hate speech. The problem is when speech is not just speech, and becomes action. This guy did not kill anyone, but he certainly deserved to be watched I would think? When you admit to being in the group, a leader of the group, and it's clear as day what this group envisions their role to be, they fall into the "we want to be and have the means to be" domestic terrorist category. There seems to be about 80-100 of these loons from what I can find online.

This is not a guy anyone in the pro-2nd Amendment crowd is going to get out there and support verbally or financially. That should tell us something.

I think the Red Flag laws are absurd. If someone is dangerous to themselves or others, restricting their access to firearms won't do any good. I'm open to confining mentally unstable people who are a clear danger to themselves or others into appropriate facilities. We used to do that...