LAPD Chief warns of Apocalypse if National Concealed Carry passes-
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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
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Originally posted by braillediver: To think gangbangers get Concealed Carry permits is the stupidest thing I ever heard.
If you've never been fingerprinted for a crime you don't voluntarily give the police a unique identifier- your fingerprint.
You're making a very wrong assumption that all gangbangers have been fingerprinted. Where do understand that to be true? Is that some sort of universal truth where you're from?
Maybe he means that "gangbangers" who get concealed handgun permits are fingerprinted as part of the licensing procedure. Fingerprinting is part of the process here in Texas.
"It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it works out for them"
August 01, 2017, 08:28 PM
jhe888
Despite this prediction being made in every place that has passed a shall-issue statute, it has never come to pass.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything.
August 01, 2017, 08:36 PM
Il Cattivo
That's OK. Now there is hard, unquestionably relevant data to prove the prediction is nonsense. Every time someone makes that prediction now, they're basically putting a baseball on top of one of those tall yellow tees and telling us to whack it out of the park.
August 01, 2017, 08:37 PM
sgalczyn
Every Cali politician should be absolutely "petrified" the constituents they've screwed for decades could now be legally armed......accountability is a bitch!
"No matter where you go - there you are"
August 01, 2017, 08:40 PM
Balzé Halzé
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Originally posted by Flashlightboy: The key problem, as you know, is that CA is one of only a couple of states that doesn't have the right to bear arms in their state consitution and hell would freeze over before something like ever happened here.
I've never quite understood how this squares with the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution. I get the idea of federalism and State's rights and all but...ok, never mind, I don't really get it.
How is it that the right to bear arms isn't guaranteed in the State of California? I'm sure it's written down somewhere, but I'm just not in the mood to go find it at this time of night.
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August 01, 2017, 08:53 PM
Il Cattivo
It's guaranteed under the US Constitution to the degree the 2d Amendment applies (sigh - is applied by the courts). State constitutions provide another layer of controls on activity by the state government beyond what the US Constitution provides - or not, if the state constitution is silent.
August 01, 2017, 09:19 PM
mark_a
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Originally posted by Flashlightboy
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Can't see the forest for the trees... in spite of multiple studies with irrefutable evidence you still spout the party line. I've got a lot of friends and co-workers in whackyland and they all spout the nonsense of the brainwashed.
Mark
August 01, 2017, 10:52 PM
Flashlightboy
My perceptions and thoughts come from living here and seeing the nonsense spouted everyday. There is no towing the brainwashed party line as you suggest but instead, life is different than you think it is in LA.
On a working note, once the salivating stops from the idea of national reciprocity, it quite simply possesses hurdles that are not overcome by votes in Washington. What is the compelling federal interest, expressed in constitutional terms, that prempts to the states from enacting their own laws on which states to recognize for CCW?
This isn't a 2d A issue but rather where in the Constitution does it preempt the states from acting on this issue? If you can give me the path I'll certainly listen but I doubt there is an overt one.
Seems that this more of a state's rights issue left to the states more than anything else. Awfully convenient to have a national reciprocity law but I don't know where the feds are given that power.
August 01, 2017, 11:10 PM
slosig
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Originally posted by arfmel:
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Originally posted by Flashlightboy:
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Originally posted by braillediver: To think gangbangers get Concealed Carry permits is the stupidest thing I ever heard.
If you've never been fingerprinted for a crime you don't voluntarily give the police a unique identifier- your fingerprint.
You're making a very wrong assumption that all gangbangers have been fingerprinted. Where do understand that to be true? Is that some sort of universal truth where you're from?
Maybe he means that "gangbangers" who get concealed handgun permits are fingerprinted as part of the licensing procedure. Fingerprinting is part of the process here in Texas.
What he means is that if you are a gangbanger who has *not* been printed and you have a brain, you may not be anxious to get printed as part of the process of getting a CCW. Flashlight boy appears to have misread.
August 01, 2017, 11:39 PM
Flashlightboy
Wouldn't be the first time and if so, as it appears, I do apologize.
August 02, 2017, 08:30 AM
Russ59
I've got my CCW in NorCal - an 8 hour class and a quick qualification at the range. My county has handed them out fairly easy and painless by CA standards. In neighboring Sacramento county, the previous sheriff was stingy. He was succeeded by the new sheriff who handed out permits like candy - something like 4000 in his first term. Oddly enough Sac Co hasn't experienced horrific crime from CCW holders. Odd uh.
I see flashlightboy's points as a fellow CA.
Beck is a total tool. He's a bureaucrat through and through.
P229
August 02, 2017, 08:37 AM
JALLEN
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Originally posted by Flashlightboy: My perceptions and thoughts come from living here and seeing the nonsense spouted everyday. There is no towing the brainwashed party line as you suggest but instead, life is different than you think it is in LA.
On a working note, once the salivating stops from the idea of national reciprocity, it quite simply possesses hurdles that are not overcome by votes in Washington. What is the compelling federal interest, expressed in constitutional terms, that prempts to the states from enacting their own laws on which states to recognize for CCW?
This isn't a 2d A issue but rather where in the Constitution does it preempt the states from acting on this issue? If you can give me the path I'll certainly listen but I doubt there is an overt one.
Seems that this more of a state's rights issue left to the states more than anything else. Awfully convenient to have a national reciprocity law but I don't know where the feds are given that power.
Enforcing a fundamental Constitutional right. The BOR applies to the states via the 14th Amendment.
Pretty straight forward.
Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me.
When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson
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August 02, 2017, 09:30 AM
jhe888
The second amendment applies to the states. As with all the rights, the 2d amendment right isn't completely unfettered (there are even limits on the 1st amendment), so the states can regulate firearms to some degree. Some might choose to regulate more than others, and as long as they don't cross the 2d amendment line, they can.
The question with reciprocity is a different question. It is a full faith and credit clause question. In general the states have to respect the acts of other states. But that doesn't mean the states have to have the exact same laws. So, if you are married in Texas, it counts in Maine. But Maine could legalize weed and Texas doesn't have to. With firearms permits, it is more like driver's licenses. Texas doesn't make you have a Texas driver's license if you are temporarily in Texas, but if you stay here, you have to get one. But, being the Federalist that I am, I don't think the feds should force the states to observe each other's CCL laws. I think the states know best how to regulate for themselves.
That doesn't mean I think New York's CCL laws pass muster under the 2d amendment. But that isn't the same question.
The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything.
August 02, 2017, 11:51 AM
Flashlightboy
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Originally posted by jhe888: The second amendment applies to the states. As with all the rights, the 2d amendment right isn't completely unfettered (there are even limits on the 1st amendment), so the states can regulate firearms to some degree. Some might choose to regulate more than others, and as long as they don't cross the 2d amendment line, they can.
The question with reciprocity is a different question. It is a full faith and credit clause question. In general the states have to respect the acts of other states. But that doesn't mean the states have to have the exact same laws. So, if you are married in Texas, it counts in Maine. But Maine could legalize weed and Texas doesn't have to. With firearms permits, it is more like driver's licenses. Texas doesn't make you have a Texas driver's license if you are temporarily in Texas, but if you stay here, you have to get one. But, being the Federalist that I am, I don't think the feds should force the states to observe each other's CCL laws. I think the states know best how to regulate for themselves.
That doesn't mean I think New York's CCL laws pass muster under the 2d amendment. But that isn't the same question.
That's exactly my point. Each state may enact their own laws to achieve compliance with a federal law or the constitution but the laws in each state don't have to be the same so long as the overall general scheme or law is recognized. That's why I don't think a national reciprocity bill will work or can pass consitutional muster.
The national reciprocity idea is a furtherance of many similar ideas - national recognition of gay marriage is one such area.
August 02, 2017, 12:02 PM
parabellum
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Originally posted by Flashlightboy: The national reciprocity idea is a furtherance of many similar ideas - national recognition of gay marriage is one such area.
Good grief. Man, I just don't know about you sometimes.
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August 02, 2017, 12:13 PM
Flashlightboy
Well as jhe said, it's a full faith and credit argument and that's the same argument made with national recognition of gay marriages from a handful of states.
We're not ever going to date each other because you just don't get me. It's OK that we're not muy sympatico.
August 02, 2017, 01:15 PM
slosig
I really like the idea of all states recognizing all other states Carry Permits like they do Drivers Licenses. I'm not so hot about the Federal government being involved in forcing that recognition.
August 02, 2017, 01:20 PM
nhtagmember
the 'Chief' doesn't get out much - they probably keep him pretty close to home being a political hack...he must be absolutely terrified if he ever travels to Nevada or Arizona...all those guns...
yet he's never been shot, and all the hand-wringing and doom and gloom predictions have never come to pass
hey Chief, here's a piece of advice for ya...there are about 225 million guns in this country with about a trillion rounds of ammo - if we were a problem you would know it by now.
suck it up snowflake
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August 02, 2017, 01:23 PM
Balzé Halzé
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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
...there are about 225 million guns in this country ...
That number sounds very low.
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Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan