http://www.breitbart.com/calif...y-laps-charlie-beck/

wow.

Los Angeles Police Department Chief Charlie Beck warns that national reciprocity for concealed carry will be a disaster in California.

In a May 25 op-ed published by the Los Angeles Times, Beck wrote, “The mere presence of more concealed weapons on California streets would make police work here much more hazardous.”

Beck did not mention, however, that police officers around the nation support gun rights over gun control and specifically support concealed carry for law-abiding citizens.

On January 11, 2017, Breitbart News reported a Pew Research Center survey showing that rank-and-file police officers support protecting citizens’ gun rights over passing more gun control by a margin of 3-to-1. And on July 15, 2016, Breitbart News reported that the Annual National Survey of Police Chiefs showed that 76 percent of chiefs believed armed citizens reduce crime.

Moreover, the survey showed “nearly 87 percent” of police chiefs support national reciprocity of concealed carry permits.

Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”

Beck based that claim on the fact that U.S. Rep. Richard Hudson’s (R-NC) national reciprocity legislation honors residents from permitless carry states as well as permitting states. But Beck’s claim omits the fact that residents of a permitless state would have to prove their residence via government documentation — i.e., a driver’s license or other valid government ID — before being able to carry legally without a permit.

A permitless concealed carrier visiting California from West Virginia would, in a traffic stop, have to verify his residency in West Virginia via government-issued documentation. To suggest that anyone could claim residency in a permitless carry state and “officers would be unable to confirm whether it is true” is incorrect.

Beck claimed:

Unbelievably, [Rep. Hudson’s bill] would allow an individual denied a permit in California to cross the border to a more permissive state, obtain a permit there, then return to California — with a new right to carry here.

Evidently the real concern is that national reciprocity will loosen the California’s stranglehold on the Second Amendment. It will mean that law-abiding residents denied a local carry permit because of the “good cause” requirement could acquire one in other states where the right to bear arms is sufficient justification for bearing them.

Arguably, the sky will not fall, the California dream will not implode, and police will not be harmed if national reciprocity is enacted. Instead, the people of California will be freer and law-abiding residents from other states will be freer while in California as well.

Bullshit . . . this comes from a state that is FUBAR.

That clown clearly doesn't get out very much

Right...because they are a pillar for effective gun control and low crime rates.

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Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”

What an amazingly clueless imbecile.

I really feel for the good folks still living there.
This turd mind set is that he is superior to all the folks that pay his salary

so, Drivers licenses and state issued ID cards are only available in Commifornia?

How they hell did this guy become a police chief?? It certainly wasn't his grasp of reality.

Apparantly, the Chief did not read 'The Mustard Report'. Or, he believes that the LA community is somehow a different cultural environment that every other urban environment in he US. It is my understanding that in every single urban environment where C/C has been introduced, violent crime on the citizenry has been reduced. Perhaps he is simply a form of the breed that thinks he (or his environment) is somehow "special".

POS

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Originally posted by limblessbiff:
That clown clearly doesn't get out very much

He is probably afraid of his own shadow.

More "wisdom" from the California/Hollyweird bubble. I recall the prognosticators of doom saying the same kind of thing about LEOSA/HR218 before it became law. I recall big city chiefs saying things like, "I don't want some cop from another jurisdiction carrying a gun in my city".

I am conflicted about the federal government getting involved. In order to make your concealed weapons license acceptable in all states, first all the states will have to meet certain agreed upon minimum standards for issuing the license, just like driver's licenses/CDL licenses. Liberal states will fight it tooth and nail. Even as gun friendly as Florida is, I do not think the Florida legislature will agree to accept carrying concealed from other states that have no license requirements. Just my opinion but this is a long uphill battle.

But if an LAPD officer stops a permitless carrier from another state who has an unloaded concealed firearm, it's all hunky dory?

From the sound of it, the imbecile probably doesn't know any law in any land.

It won't matter anyway 'cos we're goin' to 250 Celsius!!

National concealed carry will NEVER happen . All of this bitching is for nothing .

He's right you know. Look at all the "blood in the streets" Wild West scenarios that came true each time a state passed concealed carry.

Yep. He's right. Police officers are dropping dead left and right in Chicago from licensed concealed pistol holders. Uh, wait, that is not right. People on the south side of Chicago are dropping dead left and right from licensed concealed carry holders. Huh. That's not right either. People are dropping dead......

Help me out here, it is unpossible that Chief Beck is wrong.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”

What an amazingly clueless imbecile.

This is a perfect example of him saying something he knows is not true but also realizes the ignorant people who listen to him will believe it

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Originally posted by Oat_Action_Man:
But if an LAPD officer stops a permitless carrier from another state who has an unloaded concealed firearm, it's all hunky dory?

From the sound of it, the imbecile probably doesn't know any law in any land.

If they stop a permitless carrier from another country with a loaded concealed firearm, they register him to vote!