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LAPD Chief warns of Apocalypse if National Concealed Carry passes-
August 01, 2017, 09:27 AM
konata88LAPD Chief warns of Apocalypse if National Concealed Carry passes-
Oh, because lawful citizens carrying a weapon is dangerous but not address the rampant societal problem of violent gangs, thugs and other criminals.
Criminals are accepted as part of life but lawful citizens with guns are not acceptable? LAPD - because they are an example of law enforcement's finest? Please....
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TSEquote:
Originally posted by nasig:
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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”
What an amazingly clueless imbecile.
This is a perfect example of him saying something he knows is not true but also realizes the ignorant people who listen to him will believe it
And the press carrying his water and not at least asking if a driver's licence could possibly indicate state of residence
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August 01, 2017, 09:47 AM
Georgeairquote:
Originally posted by parabellum:
It won't matter anyway 'cos we're goin' to 250 Celsius!!
Or 232.778C
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August 01, 2017, 09:52 AM
parabellumReal Venusians don't need guns.
August 01, 2017, 09:53 AM
JALLEN"How can an idiot be a policeman?" Chief Inspector Dreyfus
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Hound Dogquote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”
What an amazingly clueless imbecile.
He is not 'clueless.'
He is LYING.
He's trying to scare the sheep, just like all the idiots with their 'blood in the streets' claims after klinton's AWB died. . . He KNOWS he is purposefully spreading falsehoods, in a vain attempt to stir up opposition to the proposal.
Just like this line:
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Unbelievably, [Rep. Hudson’s bill] would allow an individual denied a permit in California to cross the border to a more permissive state, obtain a permit there, then return to California — with a new right to carry here.
When I got my Colorado CCW, I had to prove residency. I don't know about every other state, but I refuse to believe that just anybody can bop into any state they want and pick up a CCW permit.
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August 01, 2017, 09:58 AM
a1abdjquote:
I don't know about every other state, but I refuse to believe that just anybody can bop into any state they want and pick up a CCW permit.
You can obtain permits from some states without ever setting foot in those states.
When Missouri passed their CCW laws, a lawmaker I knew told me that he was confident court battles would delay the issuance of permits. He was right. He suggested that I obtain an out of state permit seeing that the law would recognize those. This would allow me to carry until I could obtain my Missouri permit.
I applied for and received a permit from Florida. Last time I was physically in Florida I was still in diapers.
August 01, 2017, 10:00 AM
PDquote:
Originally posted by Hound Dog:
He is not 'clueless.'
He is LYING.
Correct answer
August 01, 2017, 10:03 AM
Elk Hunterquote:
Originally posted by JALLEN:
"How can an idiot be a policeman?" Chief Inspector Dreyfus
In kommiefornistan they actively search them out. As evidenced by this idiot.
Not to mention all the others, at least in those 3-4 commie havens.
Don't forget ol' Moonbeam is there and all the "good" he has done. Like putting the state in TWO TRILLION DOLLARS OF DEBT!
I feel sorry for the rational thinking folks trapped in that state.
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August 01, 2017, 10:03 AM
slosigquote:
Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
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Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”
What an amazingly clueless imbecile.
I believe that you are incorrect. I do not believe he could have reached such a high rank being so stupid. I think it would be more accurate to characterize him as a lying statist sack of feline fecal material.
ETA: I apologize for any offense I may have caused poor innocent feline fecal material.
August 01, 2017, 11:09 AM
bigdealquote:
Originally posted by Leemur:
He's right you know. Look at all the "blood in the streets" Wild West scenarios that came true each time a state passed concealed carry.
^^^This. No media ever challenges these ridiculous claims by these morons which tells you where the media stands on the subject.
Simple question to 'Chief'
Beck...
"Please offer 'one' example nationwide where CC became commonplace and supported, where crime went up and police officers were shot in increased numbers by CC permit holders." Game over.
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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
Just like this line:
Unbelievably, [Rep. Hudson’s bill] would allow an individual denied a permit in California to cross the border to a more permissive state, obtain a permit there, then return to California — with a new right to carry here.
Absolutely not Mr. Beck! Rights do not emanate from government decree. Rights are god given, as is noted in the 2A for this one, along with the inarguable phrase "shall not be infringed".
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August 01, 2017, 11:19 AM
joel9507quote:
Originally posted by Marlin Fan:
Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”
Gee, Chief Beck, what do you do in the LAPD if someone claims to be a licensed driver - are your officers also unable to confirm if
that is true?
August 01, 2017, 11:20 AM
Scoutmasterquote:
Originally posted by bigdeal:
quote:
Originally posted by Leemur:
He's right you know. Look at all the "blood in the streets" Wild West scenarios that came true each time a state passed concealed carry.
^^^This. No media ever challenges these ridiculous claims by these morons which tells you where the media stands on the subject.
Simple question to 'Chief Beck...
"Please offer one example nationwide where CC became commonplace and supported, where crime went up and police officers were shot in increased numbers by CC permit holders." Game over.
Goebbels lives, tell a lie big enough and often enough . . . . However these days, liberals have become so brainwashed, they can stare at the truth and either deny or ignore it.
A few years ago a prominent Bay Area talk radio host did a show on CCW, he commented he couldn't imagine walking in downtown San Francisco, looking around at all the people, wondering who had a permit and was carrying. The question was asked "what about all those who don't have a permit and are carrying?". Well, er, uh, it's time for a commercial.
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August 01, 2017, 11:54 AM
CD228quote:
Originally posted by chuck416:
Apparantly, the Chief did not read 'The Mustard Report'. Or, he believes that the LA community is somehow a different cultural environment that every other urban environment in he US. It is my understanding that in every single urban environment where C/C has been introduced, violent crime on the citizenry has been reduced. Perhaps he is simply a form of the breed that thinks he (or his environment) is somehow "special".
Is there a link to that report? It sounds like it might be worth reading.
August 01, 2017, 11:55 AM
HRKquote:
Beck claimed:
Unbelievably, [Rep. Hudson’s bill] would allow an individual who had their constitutional rights infringed upon denied a permit in by California to cross the border to a more permissive state, obtain a permit there, then return to California — with the ability to exercise their rights under the Constitution a new right to carry here.
August 01, 2017, 12:03 PM
mark_aquote:
Originally posted by Hound Dog:
He is LYING.
Gee... If only lying by a public official while in the course of performing their job was illegal. We could use asset forfeiture to seize all of his assets and then make him use money from who knows where to prove which assets he had that were not obtained as part of his criminal activity...
August 01, 2017, 12:12 PM
RightwireNo wonder he's terrified. Since there is no one illegally carrying firearms in California this clearly is a path to gun crime run amok.
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Pipe Smokerquote:
Originally posted by a1abdj:
You can obtain permits from some states without ever setting foot in those states.
When Missouri passed their CCW laws, a lawmaker I knew told me that he was confident court battles would delay the issuance of permits. He was right. He suggested that I obtain an out of state permit seeing that the law would recognize those. This would allow me to carry until I could obtain my Missouri permit.
I applied for and received a permit from Florida. Last time I was physically in Florida I was still in diapers.
I'd like to know more about that, please! I have a long-expired FL CCW permit. Your post makes me wonder if I can get it renewed, even though I'm a CA resident now. What documents did you have to submit?
Serious about crackers. August 01, 2017, 12:59 PM
slosigquote:
Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
I'd like to know more about that, please! I have a long-expired FL CCW permit. Your post makes me wonder if I can get it renewed, even though I'm a CA resident now. What documents did you have to submit?
Check with your LGS - there is probably someone giving classes for FL & UT CCW classes. I believe AZ is pretty much a send away paperwork exercise as well. Note that different states recognize different state's permits and some states only recognize resident permits from the states that they recognize permits from.