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Originally posted by nasig:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”

What an amazingly clueless imbecile.

This is a perfect example of him saying something he knows is not true but also realizes the ignorant people who listen to him will believe it

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Originally posted by parabellum:
It won't matter anyway 'cos we're goin' to 250 Celsius!!

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”

What an amazingly clueless imbecile.

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Unbelievably, [Rep. Hudson’s bill] would allow an individual denied a permit in California to cross the border to a more permissive state, obtain a permit there, then return to California — with a new right to carry here.

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I don't know about every other state, but I refuse to believe that just anybody can bop into any state they want and pick up a CCW permit.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
He is not 'clueless.'

He is LYING.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
"How can an idiot be a policeman?" Chief Inspector Dreyfus

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”

What an amazingly clueless imbecile.

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Originally posted by Leemur:
He's right you know. Look at all the "blood in the streets" Wild West scenarios that came true each time a state passed concealed carry.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
Just like this line:

Unbelievably, [Rep. Hudson’s bill] would allow an individual denied a permit in California to cross the border to a more permissive state, obtain a permit there, then return to California — with a new right to carry here.

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Originally posted by Marlin Fan:
Beck suggested that national reciprocity would create an environment where anyone could carry and police would be powerless to stop them: “If LAPD officers stopped someone with a loaded, concealed handgun, that person could claim to live in a state where permits weren’t necessary, and the officers would be unable to confirm whether it was true.”

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by Leemur:
He's right you know. Look at all the "blood in the streets" Wild West scenarios that came true each time a state passed concealed carry.

^^^This. No media ever challenges these ridiculous claims by these morons which tells you where the media stands on the subject.

Simple question to 'Chief Beck..."Please offer one example nationwide where CC became commonplace and supported, where crime went up and police officers were shot in increased numbers by CC permit holders." Game over.

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Originally posted by chuck416:
Apparantly, the Chief did not read 'The Mustard Report'. Or, he believes that the LA community is somehow a different cultural environment that every other urban environment in he US. It is my understanding that in every single urban environment where C/C has been introduced, violent crime on the citizenry has been reduced. Perhaps he is simply a form of the breed that thinks he (or his environment) is somehow "special".

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Beck claimed:

Unbelievably, [Rep. Hudson’s bill] would allow an individual who had their constitutional rights infringed upon denied a permit in by California to cross the border to a more permissive state, obtain a permit there, then return to California — with the ability to exercise their rights under the Constitution a new right to carry here.

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:

He is LYING.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
You can obtain permits from some states without ever setting foot in those states.

When Missouri passed their CCW laws, a lawmaker I knew told me that he was confident court battles would delay the issuance of permits. He was right. He suggested that I obtain an out of state permit seeing that the law would recognize those. This would allow me to carry until I could obtain my Missouri permit.

I applied for and received a permit from Florida. Last time I was physically in Florida I was still in diapers.

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
I'd like to know more about that, please! I have a long-expired FL CCW permit. Your post makes me wonder if I can get it renewed, even though I'm a CA resident now. What documents did you have to submit?