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Another good guy with a gun, this will be tonight's big story in all the mainstream media. Or not. http://www.kansascity.com/news...rticle186700173.html Armed man shot by KCK police captain in Costco was 58 and from Edwardsville BY JOE ROBERTSON AND IAN CUMMINGS jrobertson@kcstar.com NOVEMBER 27, 2017 12:41 PM Police on Monday identified the man who was shot down in a Lenexa Costco Sunday morning after standing inside the store screaming while holding a handgun. Lenexa police say Ronald O. Hunt, 58, of Edwardsville, Kan., died after he was shot by an off-duty police officer who confronted Hunt while customers and employees fled to the back of the store. Police said Hunt was inside the business yelling and threatening customers when officers were summoned. The officer who shot him was a Kansas City, Kan., police captain with 22 years of experience. He happened to be shopping when the incident began around 11 a.m., the Kansas City, Kan., Police Department reported. The captain — Michael Howell — “was confronted with a deadly force situation during which time he discharged his firearm killing an armed assailant,” the Police Department’s written statement said.. The investigation of the shooting and the search for why Hunt went into the store was continuing, Lenexa police said. Meanwhile, many people went onto social media to thank the then-unknown off-duty officer. Earlier, Kansas City, Kan., Police Chief Terry Ziegler had retweeted some Twitter messages thanking the Kansas City, Kan., officer for potentially saving lives. One of the messengers, whose tweet Ziegler passed on, wanted “to thank your officer for being in the right place at the right time. He may have saved many lives today.” The shooting is being investigated by the Johnson County Officer Involved Shooting Investigation Team. The incident began around 11 a.m. Sunday when employees at the front of the store at 9350 Marshall Drive began shouting alarms of danger. Witnesses said a man was shouting and had a gun in his left hand. Employees tried to shut chain-operated metal security doors but couldn’t get them down in time before the man entered the store. Employees shouted at customers to run through to the back of the store. Most were outside the back or hiding in the store when they said they heard five or six gunshots. The off-duty officer fatally shot the armed man and no one else was injured. The store remained closed the rest of the day Sunday, and customers and employees had to remain nearby — many for several hours — as police conducted their investigation. M.G. Casey, 29, was at the Costco with his wife on a routine Sunday shopping trip when chaos broke out. A day later, he reflected on how well the store employees reacted to the emergency and how helpful they were to the shoppers stuck in the middle of the incident. The Olathe couple had just finished checking out and were in the food court, near the front of the store, waiting on a pizza when store employees came rushing in through both the entrance and exit doors, ushering customers toward the back. “It was just a quick rush of everyone running out,” Casey said. “I heard an employee say there was an active shooting.” Casey and his wife fled with the crowd, leaving their purchases behind, and exited through the back of the store. “The employees were finding every customer — no one was being left behind,” he said. “It was some reaction time. I was shocked at how quick they were able to get everyone out. They were on top of it.” Outside, the crowd of customers and employees milled around for about an hour in a neighborhood next to the Costco. Employees, in contact with police, urged shoppers to stay put. They heard gunshots some distance away. As they group waited, employees brought out cases of water and nearby residents brought out lawn chairs for elderly people in the crowd. Eventually, they were all allowed to leave. A day later, on Monday, Costco called Casey and his wife to tell them their merchandise — which they had abandoned in the evacuation — was on hold at the store. “We hadn’t even contacted them about that,” Casey said. “So, very impressive customer service.” ============================================= From Sigmund again, the first - and so far only - comment: Costco is a gun free zone and is posted as such. It's interesting that fact didn't make its way into the stories on this incident. It certainly seems to be an important element regarding the story and the effectiveness of such policies and signs. Perhaps, that's why it wasn't included...This message has been edited. Last edited by: Sigmund, | ||
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Delusions of Adequacy |
Cleanup, Aisle six. I have my own style of humor. I call it Snarkasm. | |||
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Oriental Redneck |
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Yet they have a policy prohibiting firearms inside their warehouses, except by authorized law enforcement officers. https://www.costco.com/member-...eges-conditions.html - under General Policies | |||
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Told cops where to go for over 29 years… |
Fake news, couldn’t happen. Everyone knows Costco is a gun-free establishment. What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand??? | |||
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Not really from Vienna |
I guess the nut didn’t see the sign | |||
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I guess I never read the rules that far down. Are there signs at the entrance? Will need to keep trespassing I guess. "The days are stacked against what we think we are." Jim Harrison | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
I’ve never seen a sign at any of the stores. It is supposedly in the membership agreement, and if you are discovered, they refund your membership fee and cancel your membership on the spot..... supposedly. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Probably not a good way to start a sequence of events. | |||
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safe & sound |
I'd say popping a mad man in the middle of isle 15 would be a good way to get discovered. That was my first thought. I wondered if the first thing they would do is revoke this guy's membership. It does appear he falls within their policy being LEO. "Thanks for saving all of our customers and employees, but you're not welcome back". | |||
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Move Up or Move Over |
There are signs at the entrances to the stores in Nashville. | |||
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Do the next right thing |
The signs were there for a while, then they disappeared. I haven't seen them in a while. | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
The one nearest me has a 30.07 (Texas PC compliant sign to prevent Open Carry), but they do not have the corresponding 30.06 sign (Texas PC compliant sign to prevent Concealed Carry). Neither 30.06 or 30.07 apply to law enforcement. Seems to me that Costco is trying to have their cake and eat it to. They don't want to lose the business of concealed carry folks, but they have the policy in their General Policies so they can cancel the membership if there is an incident. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Bingo-roonie ! As our friend Warhorse is want to say, "Concealed means concealed. " Not that I know what we are discussing | |||
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Now in Florida |
Sounds like Costco has been effectively training their employees on active shooter drills. Good for them. As for their policies, I have never seen a Costco posted with signs. I don't think I've been in a Costco without a gun in years. | |||
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CMSGT USAF (Retired) Chief of Police (Retired) | |||
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Casuistic Thinker and Daoist |
It isn't an active shooter specific drill...it is there standard "fire drill" for a fire at the front of the store, which in turn is just an adaption of their "Closing time/Clear the store" procedure No, Daoism isn't a religion | |||
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addicted to trailing-throttle oversteer |
A few years back we had a former coworker pulled aside by a Costco manager because he decided to open carry into one of their local stores. He was a bit of a butthead anyways but they didn't revoke his membership. They told he to leave and take off the gun (and supposedly secure it in his vehicle as well), then he could come back in. Apparently he made it past the greeter at the front door and had been in the store shopping for 5-10 minutes before being questioned by their staff. | |||
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They cancelled Hunt's membership, right? ____________________ | |||
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Interview with the LEO who shot the armed man: http://www.kansascity.com/news...icle190055014.html#1 In store video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-TbU_LEjm0 | |||
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