They are getting very good. But they all stand out like a sore thumb, if you pay attention, because they're all the same, when it comes to payment options. They're always some combination of these: Zelle, PP F&F, venmo, CashApp, MoneyGram, Apple Pay, bitcoin. If you see them, run away and don't look back.

sigsauergunsofficial dot com is one of these scums. They make their site so real by lifting everything from the real Sig Sauer website, such as links, images, Customer Support, phone number, etc., and put on theirs. This would likely fool almost everybody. Until you click on Buy Now, and BINGO!, payments options are Zelle and Apple Pay.

These fuckers need to have their genitals burn in hell at max temp setting.

I came across one not long ago. My initial suspicion was that they had all the neat stuff “in stock.”

Q… But their prices are sooooo good!

I only browse one other message board but this came up within the past week or so. Same tell tale signs, watch what forms of payment they want and the site did look official upon visiting it, not directly firearms I don’t think (didn’t look too closely though), but ammo related. Those sites seem to be getting to a lot of people lately due to some ammunition being difficult to find.

If they won’t take a direct card, it’s probably best to just not do it.

Can we start a list of them? The bad ones that is.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
Can we start a list of them? The bad ones that is.

I think there are too many for a list. Mrs. Flash has found 3 in the last couple of days, and they're all places selling primers.

dang. thanks for the warning. I've been fairly trusting, but not now.

Google the street address they give - if they give one at all. It's normally residential. The big tell is if they don't accept credit cards.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
Can we start a list of them? The bad ones that is.

I think there are too many for a list. Mrs. Flash has found 3 in the last couple of days, and they're all places selling primers.

Unfortunately true. Not only that but while they get shutdown fairly frequently it's not hard the next dude in Albania to register a new domain to a U.S. PO box and just start up again.

Buyer beware, truly. Checking any address and payment types accepted is a good start. Though the address on fraud page can easily be a legit business address for the company they are imitating. However, it's much more difficult to spoof the ICANN domain registration. But it's also not uncommon for legit businesses to not use their main address for that. There's more, but consumers in most cases are not executed or even aware of a lot of this stuff. I know some civic groups do what amounts to internet safety classes.

I'm amazed at how many are out there. I guess demand drives scams.

Yup, I came across one or two of those while hunting for a SigPro. Seemed like they had things in stock no one else had.

Thanks for the warning!!!

Thanks for the heads up as I'm starting to look at a couple of guns.

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Originally posted by alptraum:
Buyer beware, truly. Checking any address and payment types accepted is a good start. Though the address on fraud page can easily be a legit business address for the company they are imitating.

Exactly. I've dealt w/ some scam sites that listed a legit FFL's address and as their own. One even sent me a photo of the legit FFL's certificate when I called them out on it.

Do a reverse search on the address to see if the phone# matches w/ what else you find. I called one shop to ask them about their "website", and they told me, "Hell no! We're aware of that scammer, and we're trying to get the FBI, ATF, FTC, etc to shut down their phony website using our info."

The bottom line as 12131 posted is that scammers will only accept payment options that offer no buyer protections.

In my locality, there are tons of scammers listing private party ads who after you contact them will say, "Since I've been burned too many times, I will only meet up if you electronically pay me a $100 deposit as a show of good faith first."

It's the new 'Nigerian prince who needs you pay an escrow fee to wire money into your bank account' scam. I recently read about guy who sent over $1400 for a gun to private party transaction scammer. I always thought, "How stupid do think people are?", then someone like that reminds me of PT Barnum and why scammers gonna scam.