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For Parisians, Paris IS finally burning. "Common sense is wisdom with its sleeves rolled up." -Kyle Farnsworth "Freedom of Speech does not guarantee freedom from consequences." -Mike Rowe "Democracies aren't overthrown, they're given away." -George Lucas | |||
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thin skin can't win |
While there, and elsewhere on continent in France and Italy, we were fascinated by the structure and construction of this and similar size Cathedrals. Blame it on reading Pillars of the Earth. Sad to see this, even if not completely destroyed suspect the heat impact on mortar components may be terminal. Incredible. If anyone has visions of keeping this thread open, could we maybe wait until the fire is at least out before speculating on cause and conspiracy? You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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they use steel scaffolding. | |||
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Aren't the platforms wood? Wood planks on a metal frame would be the worst. If it was all wood, it would fall away as it burns. Steel frame would hold the "tinder" up as it burns. | |||
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| Get my pies outta the oven!  |
This too from Zero Hedge, with my commentary:
No doubt over a leisurely spread of wine and cheese... | |||
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Info Guru |
Interesting and informative thread from a firefighter on some of the issues they are facing with a structure like this: https://twitter.com/GreggFavre.../1117847726786371585 “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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| Something wild is loose  |
Did seem to be a minimal amount of water being put on the blaze at first. Irreplaceable loss to history and humanity. "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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The fact that there doesn’t appear to be a contingency plan for this that was effective is baffling. Macron should fall for this alone, let alone everything else. | |||
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Real shame I was just at St. Patrick's Cathedral in NYC. Does anybody know how that compares to the Notre Dame? I'm guessing that the Notre Dame has been exhaustively digitally recorded. Hopefully we have a good record of everything that was still in there. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
How does this have anything to do with Macron? If anyone political, it should fall on that awful Paris mayor. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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I don't specifically know what is being used for platforms at ND, but the scaffolds used on most Paris construction sites use aluminum or perforated steel platforms on the steel scaffolding. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
Notre Dame is roughly 700 years older. I don't know if they are built similarly - they are both fundamentally stone structures. Speaking of which, if everything wooden burns up, wouldn't the stone remain, perhaps not too badly damaged? The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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One commentator noted that there was a water storage tank internal to the building for fighting fire, but they could not speculate if it was utilized... Collecting dust. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
C'mon guys... this isn't political. Unless it's proven to be arson. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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| Power is nothing without control |
I'm not overly religious, but I hate seeing history wiped away in a blaze like this. At this point, I can only hope that no lives were lost. - Bret | |||
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| Cut and plug |
While this is horribly tragic I wouldn’t blame the firefighters. It’s very common that if a cathedral catches on fire it’s going be almost impossible to put out. A big part of this is the wax build up from centuries of candles being burned. In addition the heavy timber construction means that once it starts burning it is almost impossible to stop due to the immense heat. In addition a tanker aircraft would not be effective in this case especially while the building stood a chance of being saved. As far as French firefighters go, I guarantee they were not having wine and cheese while deciding a course of action. I am proud to have some French firefighters as friends and the last thing they would want would be to have it burn down on their watch. The pride they have for the cathedral is much more then what you or I have. | |||
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Low Speed, High Drag |
Fire Damaged Stone Structures in Historical Monuments "Blessed is he who when facing his own demise, thinks only of his front sight.” Malo periculosam, libertatem quam quietam servitutem Montani Semper Liberi | |||
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if you want the French view, in English. | |||
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What you don't see, in between the roof and the ceiling, are the massive roof trusses, made out of wood 800 years ago. Once the fire got in there, it's was all over. I would imagine the roof was made of slate or something similar. A wood (shingles?) roof would not last very long. Source: The Great Courses, "Understanding the World's Greatest Structures: Science and Innovation from Antiquity to Modernity", Lesson 12. _________________________________________________________________________ “A man’s treatment of a dog is no indication of the man’s nature, but his treatment of a cat is. It is the crucial test. None but the humane treat a cat well.” -- Mark Twain, 1902 | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
One at a time FFS. | |||
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