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Originally posted by sigfreund:Added: As a final question, I am always curious about the, “You can find the .XYZ everywhere,” justification for a particular cartridge. Does that mean if I have a 30-06 I can go into any Walmart and pick up a box of Barnes 150 grain TTSX if that’s my preferred load? Or does it just mean that people who offer that advice don’t really understand—or at least care about—the major differences among different loads? I.e., they’re just as happy with a box loaded with 150 grain round nose bullets as they would be with 178 grain ELD-If X?


The only time I’ve ever thought that a valid concern was back when you had to fly with your ammunition in a separate bag from your rifle. Sometimes your rifle would get there without ammunition, and in those cases it would be better to be looking for 30-06 than 358 Win. As for not finding your preferred load, I suppose finding a box of corelokts beats nothing.

This is still a concern if going to Africa. Your PH would likely be able to hook you up with 375H&H if you need ammo, but might not if you showed up with a rifle chambered in 375 Ruger.



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Member jljones once observed here that we shouldn’t choose a cartridge based on what it’s best to miss with, and I’ll expand on that a bit.

Long ago the writer Massad Ayoob pointed out that if we think we’ll need something like ammunition in a crisis or other shortage, we should have all we’ll need before the shortage occurs. In other words, we shouldn’t pick a gun on the basis of what ammunition we think will be easiest to find when supplies dry up. And of course as has often been reported, very frequently odd calibers are more likely to disappear from the shelves last during a shortage. It’s only in normal times that the 30-06, 308, and 223 loads are more plentiful.*

* Are there exceptions to that flat generalization? Of course. Are they common enough to rely on? Not if we have any sense.

And for hunters as compared with competitors and other high volume shooters, it should be cheap and easy (relatively, anyway) to lay in several hunting years’ supply of 257 Roberts, 300 Savage, or 35 Whelen, so why wouldn’t we do that as we would with more common loads rather than hope we’ll find it on the shelves during the next inevitable ammunition shortage? In fact, I would bet a nickel that it’s more likely to be the guy with a 270 Winchester rifle who walks into a store during the next crisis and says, “What‽ Where’s all the ammo?” than the guy with a 270 Weatherby.

Added: As a final question, I am always curious about the, “You can find the .XYZ everywhere,” justification for a particular cartridge. Does that mean if I have a 30-06 I can go into any Walmart and pick up a box of Barnes 150 grain TTSX if that’s my preferred load? Or does it just mean that people who offer that advice don’t really understand—or at least care about—the major differences among different loads? I.e., they’re just as happy with a box loaded with 150 grain round nose bullets as they would be with 178 grain ELD-X?


I think people who bring up the common caliber argument or talking more about getting to your hunting camp or on a big trip amd realizing you forgot ammo or a TSA/customs monkey lost it. And you're in a rural area where the only store is a walmart 25 miles away. No, you may not find a Barnes TTSX but you also don't need Barnes TTSX. You buy the Remington Core-Lok and it is better than nothing and you sight in for it and it will kill your prey about 99÷ as well as the Barnes.

I still don't agree with the argument, but it makes a little more sense that way. If I were taking a big trip out west to go hunting, I might favor one if my 270's instead of my 7x57 or a 280 AI.



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^ I suppose we're tailoring that answer towards new hunters/shooters, in which case it makes sense. It may also make sense for some non new shooters, but not necessarily for others.

Years ago with one gun purchase in particular I chose between two calibers using that logic, that good suitable hunting ammo was available everywhere for the one, but not so for the other. Then over the next ten years proceeded to fire thousands and thousands of rounds through it, not a single one of which was a factory round of ammo. (Also, which could be viewed as a good thing or a bad thing, depending on the person, I eventually ended up buying a gun in the other caliber anyway... (in truth 3 guns in the other caliber), which fired many countless thousands of rounds, also without firing a single round of factory ammo.) Smile Perhaps were I taking one gun or ever two to another state or country, common ammo would be a good idea. But 95% of my hunting is 5 hours from my house, and I bring way more guns than could possibly need. Big Grin

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Originally posted by LimaCharlie:
I had a new shooter/new hunter show up with a new rifle he had just purchased from a big box store for our club's sight-in service. It was a 26" Savage 110 .338 Lapua with a NightForce scope. He wanted it sighted in for 100 yards to hunt small whitetail deer in the Oregon Coast Range.

Good gawd, imagining that scenario is embarrasing, let alone being the instructor. "So, what have you got there young man ? A 338 Lapua ? Huh..."




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Lots of good info here. Thank you all!
 
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I’ll admit that I like odd calibers. My wife hunts with a .257 Roberts and it’s a great round. My only custom rifle is a .338-06 on a Mauser action.

That said, for white tails in my part of the world, I like .260 Remington. My daughter has taken over my Remington 700 Mountain Rifle in that caliber. I now hunt with a Tikka in 7mm Magnum. Definitely overkill, but it’s light to carry and very accurate. I probably would not have chosen that particular set up but I got such a good deal I couldn’t pass it up.

I think each person should use what they like and what they shoot well. It’s a trial and error process.
 
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