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That is in part why they included that folks born in America automatically became citizens

The 14th amendment was added after the civil war, 100 years later.

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Originally posted by Skull Leader:

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AND ICE must show a judge-signed warrant... True?

Actually, no. You can learn more about admin warrants here.

https://www.fletc.gov/ice-admi...removal-warrants-mp3

Thank you, excellent link!

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Originally posted by 9mmepiphany:

None of the framers of the Constitution were citizens. As a matter of fact they were immigrants...and illegal immigrants at that

Bullshit.

Most, if not all, were born here or came to North America legally when it was part of the British, French, and Spanish Empires.

Prior to July 4, 1776, the men who signed the Declaration of Independence were British subjects, and citizens of the colony (i.e., now state) where they resided.

On July 4, 1776, those same men, and their allies became the first citizens of independent states, states linked in a loose confederation.

On March 4, 1789, people in the former colonies became citizens of The United States of America.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
Prior to July 4, 1776, the men who signed the Declaration of Independence were British subjects

On March 4, 1789, people in the former colonies became citizens of The United States of America.

Hence, not citizens when they framed the Constitution

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

On July 4, 1776, those same men, and their allies became the first citizens of independent states, states linked in a loose confederation.

On March 4, 1789, people in the former colonies became citizens of The United States of America.

Huh? Look at the very first page of the Declaration of Independence:

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Originally posted by 9mmepiphany:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
Prior to July 4, 1776, the men who signed the Declaration of Independence were British subjects

On March 4, 1789, people in the former colonies became citizens of The United States of America.

Hence, not citizens when they framed the Constitution

None were stateless persons.

They were, sequentially, citizens of a colony under British rule, a former colony now independent country in which they resided, and lastly citizens of the United States of America. In short, citizens ((i.e., a person who legally belongs in a country and has the rights and protection of that country) somewhere the entire time.

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Originally posted by PASig:

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

On July 4, 1776, those same men, and their allies became the first citizens of independent states, states linked in a loose confederation.

On March 4, 1789, people in the former colonies became citizens of The United States of America.

Huh? Look at the very first page of the Declaration of Independence:

The only problem is that heading is misleading. It could also be written "These Independent Countries of North America, Unite for the Purpose of Telling King George to Fuck Off."

After the DoI in 1776, and prior to the Articles of Confederation, enacted in 1777, and ratified on March 1, 1781, there was no national (i.e., federal) government of any kind, save for the Continental Congress and the Continental Army. That is the very definition of a loose confederation. And until the AoC, even the Continental Congress wasn't a central government, it is better described as a meeting of representatives of independent countries held to negotiate mutually beneficial treaties among themselves.

As we all know, sanctuary states and cities do not honor ICE detainer requests. The prisoner is released after completing the sentence rather than being held for ICE. Saw a federal agent mention that the ironic thing is that sanctuary cities and states are actually having significantly more immigration only violators arrested and detained for deportation than non sanctuary jurisdictions. And it's not just targeting decisions. In non-sanctuary jurisdictions, ICE simply picks up the prisoner at the prison at the time of release. Then they are on their way. In sanctuary jurisdictions, ICE has to locate the released prisoner at their home or where ever they can find them. Whenever that happens, inevitably immigration only violators who live with or associate with the target will be swept up with the target. They get deported too. So the irony is that sanctuary jurisdictions will have more deportations of immigration only violators than non-sanctuary jurisdictions.

Yes, all persons in the US have rights. IIRC, and JHE may know or research more being a lawyer, the 'catch-and-release' style of non-detention started because there were so many persons being held in such crowded conditions awaiting their court hearing that this discomfort was ruled to be an unconstitutional violation.

Illegal aliens have no rights except the right to be deported.

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Originally posted by architect:
For the most part, the "rights" expressed in the BoR are restrictions on what the Fed. Govt. can do, not expressly outlined rights as we like to think of them today.

There is another concept, that of "human rights," things like being able to protect one's physical person, children, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," etc. that are intimately involved with these Govt. prohibitions. I suspect most would agree that all persons, citizens or not, have human rights, and that the Constitution, or any other document, cannot abrogate or expand these.

There is also the inconvenient fact that the Constitution was written to apply to British colonists who certainly were not citizens of the yet-to-be-founded government that it describes. OTOH, many US residents, slaves, Indians, etc. were denied many of these liberties for a considerable period so there is precedent.

Actually No...Under the Articles of Confederation (adopted by the Second Continental Congress November 15, 1777 and ratified on March 1, 1781), which preceded the US Constitution, 'the People' were citizens of the individual states.

I'm really hoping these idiots get hammered.
https://www.kgw.com/article/ne...2c-ac97-82457d1342de