The Lost 52 project is a different group from what Paul Allen started.

The link has a great video. Direct link to video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...b1c&feature=youtu.be

Article:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news...st-52-143200185.html

Explorer Tim Taylors "Lost 52 Project" Discovers WWII US Submarine Grayback with 80 Entombed Sailors Offshore Japan

PR Newswire
November 11, 2019

NEW YORK, Nov. 11, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- Veteran ocean explorer and Tiburon Subsea CEO Tim Taylor along with his "Lost 52 Project" team have discovered the WWII Submarine USS Grayback (SS-208) in Japanese waters. The US Navy officially verified the discovery of Grayback which was made on June 5th, 2019 at a depth of 435 meters (1427 feet). This is the first US submarine discovered in Japanese waters and is the final resting place of 80 Sailors.

This is the 5th US WWII submarine discovery for Mr. Taylor and his Lost 52 Project Team. Utilizing pioneering robotics and methods at the forefront of today's underwater technology they apply a combination of autonomous underwater vehicles (AUV's), remotely operated vehicles (ROV's) and advanced photogrammetry imaging technology resulting in the most comprehensive historical archeological records to date.

"Because of the quality of images and the data shared from the groundbreaking project, Naval History and Heritage Command's underwater archaeology team was able to confirm the final resting place of USS Grayback," said Robert S. Neyland, Ph.D., Naval History and Heritage Command's Underwater Archaeology Branch Head. "The confirmation of the site as a U.S. Navy sunken military craft ensures it is protected from disturbance, safeguarding the final resting place of our Sailors."

USS Grayback, one of the most successful submarines of the war, was a Tambor-class submarine launched on January 31, 1941 and was under the command of Lieutenant Commander John Anderson Moore. She made 10 war patrols total and is credited with sinking 14 ships, totaling 63,835 tons, including an Imperial Japanese Navy submarine. Grayback was a major part of the submarine offensive from the very start of the war.

Post-war Japanese records indicated that On February 26, 1944, Grayback suffered damage when land-based Japanese naval aircraft attacked her in the East China Sea, but it was assumed she sank the naval transport Ceylon Maru the next day. That same day it was recorded that a Japanese carrier-based plane spotted a submarine on the surface in the East China Sea and attacked. According to Japanese reports the submarine "exploded and sank immediately," but antisubmarine craft were called into depth-charge the area, clearly marked by a trail of air bubbles, until a heavy oil slick swelled to the surface. Grayback received two Navy Unit Commendations honoring her seventh, eighth, ninth, and tenth war patrols, in addition to eight battle stars for her World War II service.

"The discovery of the USS GRAYBACK provides us another precious opportunity to honor the brave Sailors who sacrificed so much in combat to preserve our freedom. Those selfless and committed submarine Sailors left a legacy of courage that we strive to attain every single day as we prepare the next generation of U.S. Navy Submariners," said Rear Adm. Blake Converse, Commander, Submarine Force, U.S. Pacific Fleet.

In preparation for the expedition, the team's Japanese historian and researcher, Yutaka Iwasaki, located and re-translated the original documents to discover 1946 post-war error in the longitude. This original error remained for 75 years until discovered by the Lost 52 Team. The new data, along with newly discovered and translated Japanese mission logs, enabled the team to refocus their search on the area southwest of Okinawa. On June 5th, 2019 the team discovered the USS Grayback 100 miles from an area recorded in WWII historical records.

"It was amazing, the team had resigned to the fact that we're headed back to port and would not complete the total search area this year. The AUV had returned early with a minor technical issue and we had a few lines of sonar data to review. As the team was viewing the last bit of this data roll across the screen you could feel everyone shuffling and getting ready to shift gears to secure the ship for getting underway. The next thing we see in the last quarter of the last line of data is the USS Grayback roll across the monitor," said Taylor.

"Each discovery of a sunken craft is an opportunity to remember and honor the service of our Sailors. Knowing their final resting place brings closure, in some part, to their families and shipmates as well as enables our team to better understand the circumstances in which the boat was lost," says Neyland. "We're grateful for the respectful, non-intrusive work Tim Taylor's team performs and the opportunity they provide to remember and honor our history."

The Grayback expedition is part of the ongoing "Lost 52 Project" supported in part by STEP Ventures and has been recognized by JAMSTEC (Japan Agency for Marine-Earth Science and Technology) as the first and most comprehensive offshore underwater archaeological expedition in Japanese waters.

The Swordfish was also sunk south of Okinawa, and one of my wife’s uncles is probably in it. We lost 52 submarines in WWII.

That is a very worthwhile project they are doing. Wish I had the cash to fund a project like that. The relatives of those 52 boats are also reaching the age where no one will remember the lost crews.

Rest In Peace.

Couldn’t help but call to mind that loose lips sink ships. "An internal intelligence failure that involved U.S. Congressman Andrew Jackson May, who as a member of the House Military Affairs Committee visited the Pacific theater, where he received many intelligence and operational briefings. On his return, May held a press conference and stated that American submarines had a high survivability because Japanese depth charges were fused to explode at too shallow a depth. Soon enemy depth charges were rearmed to explode at a more effective depth of 250 feet. Vice Admiral Charles A. Lockwood, commander of the U.S. submarine fleet in the Pacific, later estimated that May's revelation cost the navy as many as ten submarines and 800 crewmen."

May should have been charged with treason, or at least put on public display nekkid in a cage with a sign that had “STUPID” written on it.

Just watched the video...

Do you know how hard it is to hit a moving object with a 500 pound bomb from a moving airplane?Looks like a direct hit behind the tower.

Glad she has been located and will be marked on local charts.

I'm hopeful that they will find the USS Runner (SS-275).

On 28 May 1943 Runner left Midway to proceed to Latitude 48°-30'N, Longitude 154°E and begin her third patrol. She was to patrol south and west from this spot, until she came into the area south of Hokkaido and east of the northern tip of Honshu, where she was to patrol from about 8 June to 4 July 1943. The submarine was never heard from following her departure from Midway.

She was expected at Midway about 11 July, and not later than 15 July, and should have made a transmission when approximately 500 miles from this base. She was ordered on 11 July to make an immediate transmission, but no reply came. On 20 July Runner was reported as presumed lost. Runner was stricken from the Naval Vessel Register on 30 October 1943.

A summary of Japanese antisubmarine attacks received since the close of hostilities contains no mention of an attack which could explain the loss of Runner. Thus her loss must be ascribed to an enemy mine-field, of which there were at least four in the area to which she was assigned, to an operational casualty, or to an unreported enemy attack. Destruction by a mine is considered the most likely of these possibilities.

My father served on her namesake USS Runner (SS-476) from 1954 to 1957.

I did not realize we had 52 subs lost and missing from WWII in the Pacific:

http://www.lost52project.org/index.html

Amazing video. I would love to know the whole story of how she was caught on the surface.

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Originally posted by 4x5:
Amazing video. I would love to know the whole story of how she was caught on the surface.

They were all diesel boats back then and had to surface to recharge their batteries by running the Diesel engine. Had to. My ex’s dad was a submariner and he showed me how they worked.

My brother's father-in-law was honored on FB yesterday. He survived being a submariner in the Pacific Theater in WWII. Apparently only 1 in 3 did survive.

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Originally posted by 4x5:
Amazing video. I would love to know the whole story of how she was caught on the surface.

They were all diesel boats back then and had to surface to recharge their batteries by running the Diesel engine. Had to. My ex’s dad was a submariner and he showed me how they worked.

True,but they would usually surface at night to charge batteries to avoid detection. Since she was surfaced during the day, the lookouts should have seen the approaching enemy airplanes, and dived the boat, unless there were problems and couldn't dive.

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My brother's father-in-law was honored on FB yesterday. He survived being a submariner in the Pacific Theater in WWII. Apparently only 1 in 3 did survive.

A hero he is...

It's why the submarine service is 100% voluntary even to this day.

On WW2 boats, the snorkel was just coming into existence by the Germans.

It would have saved countless lives. Recharging left you vulnerable and even the best boats equipped with fast-dive tanks took what seemed like an eternity when being fired upon.

Keep your surface-to-dive ration even and all will be good.

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Originally posted by pbslinger:
Apparently only 1 in 3 did survive.

I think it was closer to 1 out of every 5 perished. Regardless, the Submarine Service had the highest loss rate percentage of any branch/service/department in World War II.

My uncle Tom on my father's side was a radioman on the Sawfish and made it through multiple combat patrols and the war. He was endlessly cheerful and a delight to be around.

He passed a few years ago and his step-daughter found his dolphin insignia among his things, which she was kind enough to give to my older brother.

RIP Uncle Tom.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:
I did not realize we had 52 subs lost and missing from WWII in the Pacific:

http://www.lost52project.org/index.html

There's a sub fleet memorial at Pearl Harbor, within sight of the Arizona and the Missouri, and the Bowfin is moored there. There's a stone pillar for each of the missing boats with its information engraved. It's a large circle. It was a very emotional and moving visit, it really hammers home how many of those warriors we lost.

May God bless those submariners still on patrol.