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From the Times of Israel (photos at this link)

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In apparent world first, IDF deployed drone swarms in Gaza fighting
Military used ‘flocks’ of small aircraft, all communicating with each other, to locate targets, direct airstrikes, highlighting advances in artificial intelligence-driven combat

By Judah Ari Gross 10 July 2021, 6:29 pm
Israeli military drones fly in formation in an undated photograph. (Israel Defense Forces)
Mass swarms of dozens or hundreds of drones guided by artificial intelligence are widely considering to be one of the more worrying weapons making their way into the modern battlefield, one with the potential to be far cheaper and thus more available to non-state actors than other advanced munitions.

The world saw a taste of that emerging military technology, albeit a limited one, in May during the 11-day conflict between Israel and terror groups in Gaza, when the Israel Defense Forces used flocks of drones over the Strip to spot rocket launches by Hamas and attack those sites in what appears to be one of the first significant, publicly acknowledged real-world use of the concept.

The military’s use of drones in this way was initially kept classified during the fighting, but has since been permitted to be published in part.

During the fighting, the IDF struggled to prevent the Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror groups from launching rockets and mortar shells into Israel. By the end of the conflict, over 4,000 projectiles were fired from the Gaza Strip, killing several people in Israel, injuring scores more and regularly sending hundreds of thousands of Israelis to bomb shelters for nearly two weeks.

In a bid to prevent these attacks, the military worked to develop new methods of locating launchpads, which Hamas and Islamic Jihad had buried and hidden throughout the Gaza Strip, in schoolyards, home gardens and otherwise deep within civilian areas. For the first time, the IDF’s artificial intelligence capabilities were brought to bear on the issue, helping human analysts interpret a vast amount of satellite and aerial surveillance imagery to locate the launchpads, some of which were built to be used multiple times. This led Israeli Military Intelligence to declare the Gaza campaign the world’s “first AI war.”

In one use of artificial intelligence, the Israeli military deployed small flocks of quadcopter drones over the southern Gaza Strip with each device monitoring a specific patch of land, The Times of Israel learned at the time. When a rocket or mortar launch was detected, other armed aircraft or ground-based units attacked the source of the fire.

According to the Walla news site, the drone swarms were used dozens of times during the fighting by an until-now classified company of the Paratroopers Brigade, based on concepts developed by the IDF’s experimental Ghost Unit, which is tasked with trying out and creating new tactics and fighting styles for the military.


Israeli military drones fly in formation in an undated photograph. (Israel Defense Forces)
“After a year of preparation and exercises, the situation came and the aerial detection system is able to find the enemy and destroy it and bring the operational achievement we are looking for,” the company commander, who for security reasons can only be identified by his rank and first Hebrew initial, Maj. “Mem,” told the outlet.


“We conducted more than 30 sorties with the drone swarms, which collected precise intelligence and assisted other drones to carry out attacks on the targets,” he said.

During the 11-day campaign, dubbed Operation Guardian of the Walls, Mem’s unit worked with the Elbit defense contractor, which manufactured the drones, and other units within the IDF to refine its capabilities in real time.

According to Mem, while the first use of his unit was in Gaza, that was more of a trial run for the real threat they are preparing for: Hezbollah in Lebanon, which is considered a far more powerful foe than Hamas.

“We’re not resting on our laurels. We are already looking northward and preparing for operations in the next war,” he said.

The military also reportedly plans to expand the use of this technology to other ground units in the future.

However, Israeli drone expert Tal Inbar said it was not clear if these were truly the first attacks by a drone swarm in the world, as has been claimed in media reports in recent days, but this was nevertheless a significant milestone in the use of the technology.


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Something something Skynet.

This is a terrible idea, broadly. We will regert this one day.
 
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I don't think most people can even comprehend what the common consumer drone can do... So, I expect I can't comprehend what these military ones can do.

I have a commercial license to fly unmanned aircraft and have a fairly high end drone that can take both high res. video and pictures.... I bet the ones those Israelis are using make mine look like a tonka toy.


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I’m surprised it took this long. I’ve watched some of the Iraq fighting on TV and was blown away that they still sent bodies to check out areas to see if the enemy was in certain locations. Young soldiers were getting killed when in fact the enemy was hiding behind certain targets.

A $1200 drone that I have could have easily flown this same mission on 15 minutes with zero risk to human life. I just couldn’t believe the U.S. military was still doing that. As I watched it it seemed like they might as well be riding a horse around and carrying a musket.
 
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Just like high explosives (dynamite) and machine guns, drones will make future wars impossible to win, and that will be the end of warfare. Wink

Is it ironic or something that it’s also the Israelis who have developed the first laser antidrone defense system, or close to it?




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Just like high explosives (dynamite) and machine guns, drones will make future wars impossible to win, and that will be the end of warfare. Wink

Is it ironic or something that it’s also the Israelis who have developed the first laser antidrone defense system, or close to it?


That's the right way to do it. A kill switch or counter measure of some kind is a must for any autonomous system, especially one designed to recognise, hunt and kill humans.

These systems are inevitable, by the way.

Even if we aren't building hunter killers of some flavor(which we certainly are) our enemies undoubtedly are doing so.
 
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Oh oh pick me!

Take the drone cover it in c-4 and ball bearings and use the drone as a flying claymore…find hadji loading a mortar tube and detonate the drone.



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Something something Skynet.

This is a terrible idea, broadly. We will regert this one day.


The same has been said about nukes and biological weapons. But here we are.
 
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Sure.

I've few doubts our worst dystopian tech nightmares of the surveillance and killing kind are inevitable, a when not if situation that's happening faster and in more distributed and decentralized ways than ever before. It's not some kooky nightmare but the stark reality in more and more places each year, ushered in in many cases by lemming consumers wanting Moar Convenience and Moar Securrrity.

Hopefully the worst of it happens after my long life normally ends one day a few or more decades from now, but I am not hopeful... there are already too many ways to snoop and kill folks, we don't need better ones, much less swarms of semi autonomous flying explodey drones. Such tech should be regulated harder than Nukes, kept in locked boxes behind ebola moats, miles underground.

Instead people will welcome it into their homes vis a vis toys and arguments like our enemies do it too.

This is my excited face.
 
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Oh oh pick me!

Take the drone cover it in c-4 and ball bearings and use the drone as a flying claymore…find hadji loading a mortar tube and detonate the drone.


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Originally posted by sigfreund:
Just like high explosives (dynamite) and machine guns, drones will make future wars impossible to win, and that will be the end of warfare. Wink

Keying on the Wink here

It will be exactly like many other advances - say, powerful engines and tracks changing the design of tanks - in that the folks who figure out first how best to use the new ideas will punch above their weight till everyone else catches on.

Same stuff, different decade.
 
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Air Force Research Lab released this
Video showing new drone defense.

 
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Oh oh pick me!

Take the drone cover it in c-4 and ball bearings and use the drone as a flying claymore…find hadji loading a mortar tube and detonate the drone.
Already was done 5 years ago or so.
 
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As to reducing wars the Gattling gun was supposed to do that.
 
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So, when can my condo building get a system installed for the pervert drone pilots at the hotel next door…
 
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Something something Skynet.

This is a terrible idea, broadly. We will regert this one day.
Or, think about it this way. The more reliance that's placed on tech for defense, the more defenseless a group will be when an EMP strike is leveled against them.


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Just like high explosives (dynamite) and machine guns, drones will make future wars impossible to win, and that will be the end of warfare. Wink

Is it ironic or something that it’s also the Israelis who have developed the first laser antidrone defense system, or close to it?


 
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