We just started this virtual crap, supposed to be only 3 weeks....ya right.

Scary part is the teacher was taking screen shots of the inside of their home.

No sure of the legality of that....but I sure as shit would be finding out.

Also the mother let the officers in ...without a warrant, yes the officers handled the situation great but I am not sure I would have let them in at all.

While my son's desk is in a corner on the 2nd floor with no view to anything but a closet door they are on a hot mic all day. I am working to teach him how to mute his PC but being in 3rd grade he is having a hard time remembering to do so.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-p...ing-a-bb-gun-n518679

A Baltimore County, Md., fifth-grader got a visit from the police after his teacher called to report that she had seen a BB gun on the wall behind the student during a class video call.

The boy’s mother, Courtney Lancaster Sperry, a Navy veteran, is warning other parents about a lack of privacy during virtual classes after her son was targeted by a teacher who saw what she thought was a scary-looking gun hanging on the wall of the boy’s bedroom.

“While my son was on a Zoom call, a ‘concerned parent’ and subsequently two teachers saw his properly stowed and mounted Red Ryder BB gun and one other BB gun in the background,” Sperry wrote on Facebook. “He was not holding them and never intentionally showed them on video. In fact, he was oblivious that they could even be seen in the background.”

After the teacher reported the gun, the principal, Jason Feiler, decided to call the police to report the guns and ask that the home be searched.

The principal and the teacher cited a rule stating that students may not bring guns to school and claimed it extended to virtual classes as well, Sperry said, adding that the school handbook does not address rules for virtual learning at all. Besides, “he did not BRING anything to this meeting and he is in his own home,” she said. “They were simply in the background in our home, safely stowed in a room behind a closed door, with no ammunition (if you can even call it that).”

Sperry told PJ Media that the school’s vice-principal called her ex-husband, claiming to be checking on network connectivity. She believes the real reason for the call was to find out which home her son was at. The vice-principal “ended the call without leveraging the opportunity to discuss the matter and rather was fishing for information to find out where to dispatch police,” she said.

The 11-year-old in question is a Boy Scout, pursuing the rank of Eagle Scout and is an “outdoors / all-boy kind of kid,” his mom said. “And as his parents and by way of legal rights, he is allowed to own said guns.” In addition to the BB gun, she said her son is training in archery and enjoys shooting his Airsoft gun.

Sperry was, understandably, shocked when police pulled up in front of the family’s home.

“I had no idea what to think. I’ve never been in any legal trouble whatsoever. I’ve never had any negative encounter with law enforcement,” said Sperry. “I had no idea. I really didn’t know what to think.”

“So, I answered the door. The police officer was… very nice. He explained to me that he was coming to address an issue with my son’s school,” the mother told Fox Baltimore. “And then explained to me that he was here to search for weapons, in my home. And I consented to let him in. And then I, unfortunately, stood there and watched police officers enter my 11-year-old son’s bedroom.”

“The officers that responded were appalled at the call and even commended the set-up that my son has for his toys and commended him also on his respect and understanding of the BB guns,” Sperry wrote on Facebook.

Sperry asked the principal why the issue couldn’t have been handled privately by phone rather than sending the police. “He said that was not their policy,” she said.

“The officers were more than nice,” she wrote, “and though they did not have a warrant, I have always been taught to not only comply, but had nothing to hide and allowed them to look wherever they wanted to.”

“I felt violated as a parent, for my child, who’s standing there with police officers in his room, just to see the fear on his face,” she added.

What she should have done is refuse to let the police in her home without a search warrant. Neither she nor her son had done anything wrong, but the police invaded and searched the family’s home anyway, albeit politely, poking around for a full 20 minutes, despite the fact that no wrongdoing had been alleged and they had no probable cause to search the home. This was nothing more than an overreaction by a nosy teacher who was spying on her student’s bedroom when she was supposed to be teaching.

According to Sperry, the spy teacher took a screenshot of the boy’s bedroom, which is incredibly creepy and a violation of the family’s privacy. When the mother demanded to see the screenshot taken by the creeper-teacher, she was told she would not be allowed to view it because it wasn’t part of his official school record.

“It’s absolutely scary to think about,” Sperry said. “Who are on these calls? Who do we have viewing [our] children and subsequently taking these screenshots that can be sent anywhere or used for any purpose?”

She told PJ Media that she decided to go public in order “to push for policy change and make parents aware” of possible violations of privacy during online classes.

This incident raises some serious questions about privacy related to virtual learning. Teachers (and perhaps others who might be watching) are granted access to children’s homes and even their bedrooms. It appears from this incident that there were no rules in place preventing the teacher from taking pictures of his bedroom. How many students has this teacher spied on? How many screenshots has she taken of them during virtual classes? Has she amassed a database of her students’ home situations?

“I have explained to my son that he did nothing wrong,” Sperry said. “He said, ‘I’m just sad because I thought the teachers were my friends.'”

The school refused to comment on the specific case but told Fox Baltimore, “There are multiple ways for families to share concerns with us. In general terms, the safety of students and staff is our chief concern, whether we are meeting in classrooms or via continuity of learning.”

“So, what are the parameters? Where are the lines drawn?” Sperry wants to know. “If my son is sitting at the kitchen island next to a butcher block, does that constitute a weapon? It’s not allowed at school, right? So, would my home then be searched because he’s sitting next to a butcher block? I feel like parents need to be made aware of what the implications are, what the expectations are.”

“Virtual learning may work well for you,” she said, “but make sure nothing in your home offends anyone [or] you may spend the next couple of weeks circumventing the invasion and violation that I did today.”

“My child and my home will no longer be subjected to video to allow room for any other violation of my rights and how I legally manage my home,” she declared.

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He said, ‘I’m just sad because I thought the teachers were my friends.

Only if you think the exact same way as they do, son.

Law suit time.
This is a perfect example of how lawsuits work to better bad situations.

I have come to the conclusion that two of our once respected national systems need to be torn out by the roots and rebuilt:
Public Education.
Health Care.
I cant think of a better example of educational idiocy than this story.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
I have come to the conclusion that two of our once respected national systems need to be torn out by the roots and rebuilt:
Public Education.
Health Care.
I cant think of a better example of educational idiocy than this story.

Absolutely

Schools have been pushing rules intend for the buildings off campus slowly for years.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
I have come to the conclusion that two of our once respected national systems need to be torn out by the roots and rebuilt:
Public Education.
Health Care.
I cant think of a better example of educational idiocy than this story.

Nope. Only Health care need be rebuilt. Public education was always a bad idea and should find its way into the dust bin of history. Let's offer vouchers to the kids and allow them to go to school where they want. Let the private sector and competition drive the new system.

And as for the story at hand, the mom should have never allowed the police in without a warrant.

A good fix for this problem would be to replace the BB gun with a plastic imitation M4.

The teacher would be bothered to no end with the "evil gun" on the wall, and would have trouble sleeping at night. She would probably think twice about making another call to to police.

I would be on the phone to an attorney as soon as they left the home. I'm glad the officers handed it well but that teacher and principal need to be sued. That is total horseshit that they tried to use the excuse of a school weapons policy to invade their privacy. She should not have let them in and give permission to search to begin with under the circumstances given, but I can understand her doing it.

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According to Sperry, the spy teacher took a screenshot of the boy’s bedroom, which is incredibly creepy and a violation of the family’s privacy. When the mother demanded to see the screenshot taken by the creeper-teacher, she was told she would not be allowed to view it because it wasn’t part of his official school record

This line winds me up, to the lawyers out there.....is there any recourse in a situation like this?

I am writing our Principal this evening to see what our policy is regarding recording our homes.....or if they even have one.

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Originally posted by AKSuperDually:

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
I have come to the conclusion that two of our once respected national systems need to be torn out by the roots and rebuilt:
Public Education.
Health Care.
I cant think of a better example of educational idiocy than this story.

Absolutely

Having taught in public colleges, I triple that.

Isn’t this story from the end of last school year in June ? Any update ? Pending lawsuit ?

The easy answer is a virtual background and zoom even supplies them. I work in my garage and have weekly zoom calls. First thing I did was install a generic virtual background so folks couldn’t see my messy garage and gun safe sitting there

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Originally posted by bigdeal:...Public education was always a bad idea and should find its way into the dust bin of history. Let's offer vouchers to the kids and allow them to go to school where they want. Let the private sector and competition drive the new system.....

But if that happened, how would liberals brainwash our children?? (Not really a joke). Public teacher unions are all about money and power.

The story makes my head explode.

When I was 10(ish), and a Cub Scout, once a month we would load up in the Den Leaders station wagon, drive to the .22 range in the basement of the National Guard armory shoot real .22's, real ammo. No one gave it a second thought.

In 10th grade, my world history teacher was using the woodshop tools to inlet/finish the new stock on his 30.06 deer rifle. He would bring it to 5th period class, after lunch, put it in the corner. He and I would chat as I was doing the same on my new .243 Winchester. Again, no one gave it a second thought.

That teacher needs to go. Taking a picture of a kid's room when you're supposed to be teaching is wrong in so many ways.

The teacher is a government employee and took the picture while acting in that role. Can the picture be FOIA requested? I can understand not releasing it to anyone but the parents because it's of a child.

BTW that middle BB gun is the same one I had as a kid growing up.

He should just line toy guns up all over the wall, make it look like Rambos vault...

I have long argued that public education needs to be de-funded and most of the teachers need to be charged with child abuse and endangerment

this is just one more example - how many do we need

teachers for the past 25 years ARE NOT working in the best interest of either you as a parent or your child from an educational standpoint

they are only interested in indoctrination into socialism, and getting as much money from you as possible to help them destroy the foundations of the country

The police acted nice, but should have told the school to fuck off - I really hope a lawsuit is pending that drives the local school into bankruptcy (where they belong)

and you know which teacher to go after - thats the easy part - to make that 'teacher' miserable for the rest of his/her life

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Originally posted by ElToro:
Isn’t this story from the end of last school year in June ? Any update ? Pending lawsuit ?

The easy answer is a virtual background and zoom even supplies them. I work in my garage and have weekly zoom calls. First thing I did was install a generic virtual background so folks couldn’t see my messy garage and gun safe sitting there

Thanks, i know Microsoft Teams has them but I did not know Zoom did as well.

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Originally posted by dewhorse:

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Originally posted by ElToro:
Isn’t this story from the end of last school year in June ? Any update ? Pending lawsuit ?

The easy answer is a virtual background and zoom even supplies them. I work in my garage and have weekly zoom calls. First thing I did was install a generic virtual background so folks couldn’t see my messy garage and gun safe sitting there

Thanks, i know Microsoft Teams has them but I did not know Zoom did as well.

Poke around online. You'll find these virtual backgrounds don't work so well if you don't have something like a blank green screen behind you.

If it doesn't work well I am building another cardboard castle around his desk

My son is starting 8th grade soon. The school system is doing virtual. I am actually making a wall rifle rack to hang his rifles since I gave him a wall in my office. I will make sure it’s his background for his zoom crap. Let the school try and send someone. He wants to paint the blue line flag on the wall.