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Originally posted by emac:
I’m a lazy millennial.... my go to attire is gym shorts and a t shirt while at home and doing yard work.... given this I bit the $$ bullet and got the lightest weight S&W J frame in a DeSantis pocket holster for carry while at home and doing yard work... it doesn’t sag too bad but don’t go chasing the dog when he gets loose.... Whacked myself good in the old ‘nads ....

My P938 with the Hogue grips and extended mag is excellent. It is 9mm in a light, compact pocket holster and runs like a top. Plus my hand in my pocket isn't an obvious beginning to a gun draw. The extended 7 rd mag allows excellent purchase of the gun.

The first video would be a good one to show to anti-2A folks when they inevitably ask "Why do you need a gun?"

Guys needs to practice......list 2 opportunities to make the world better.

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Originally posted by Yanert98:
Also the guy in the black hoody was a cocky dirtbag. He just turned his back and sauntered off. I imagine the homeowner must have used great restraint to overcome the urge to ventilate that punk.

I know its wrong to think this way, but I so would have liked to see that punk catch a couple round in the back of head on his way to the ground. Talk about monumental amounts of arrogance and stupidity.

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I know its wrong to think this way, but I so would have liked to see that punk catch a couple round in the back of head on his way to the ground. Talk about monumental amounts of arrogance and stupidity.

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It would be hard to resist a good soaking with the hose as he sauntered away.

I really couldn't tell from the video, but my guess is a paddle holster. When I was instructing, lots of paddle holster owners found themselves pulling their holstered guns out of their pants when given the draw command.
If you favor the paddle holster, make sure it is secure (yank it!) on the waistband or belt and releases the gun properly before you put it into use.
Especially on your yard work shorts!

Tulsa really is turning into a shithole. It's sad.
Really would like to have seen him pull a "Collateral", I'm pretty sure they wanted his briefcase.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
Did they not notice he was open carrying?

They thought that was his hose holster.

there was a time... long ago when I was into wearing a thong.... went to the beach with family and my parents... and you know what my mother told me?

"You really should not advertise what you don't have."

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
Funny how that one guy just casually turns around and calmly walks back to his ride. Odd reaction to having a gun pulled on you.

And the homeowner needs to work on his draw. He had trouble getting the pistol out and then took the holster off his waistband along with it. He's lucky the yutes were unarmed or didn't draw on him.

He needs to brush up on his gun handling skills AND his legal use of force knowledge.
Going after the yutes, (I understand he was pissed) once they were fleeing, wasn't the best idea.
Once they broke off the fight and were fleeing, walking towards the street, aiming the gun and potentially shooting them on video might not have looked good in court.
An adrenaline surge probably didn't help his motor skills or judgement.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:
Funny how that one guy just casually turns around and calmly walks back to his ride. Odd reaction to having a gun pulled on you.

And the homeowner needs to work on his draw. He had trouble getting the pistol out and then took the holster off his waistband along with it. He's lucky the yutes were unarmed or didn't draw on him.

He needs to brush up on his gun handling skills AND his legal use of force knowledge.
Going after the yutes, (I understand he was pissed) once they were fleeing, wasn't the best idea.
Once they broke off the fight and were fleeing, walking towards the street, aiming the gun and potentially shooting them on video might not have looked good in court.
An adrenaline surge probably didn't help his motor skills or judgement.

The youth in black hoodie did not flee until homeowner was drawing his gun.
Only appears that he pulled his gun when they were fleeing because he was slow and had the hang-up with his holster.

It was the start of drawing the gun which encouraged the youth to turn and walk away.

It's hard to make much observation without better video and context.

The individual who ran away appeared to be wearing a balaclava, but the video is so grainy, it's hard to say. If that is the case, it's hard to imagine why anyone, especially someone carrying a weapon, would let them approach within 25 yards, especially potentially on his property.

This may not have been his property. It looked as though he was street-side of the sidewalk, which in many locations is city property. Without context, they may have begun on the sidewalk.

Clearly they had a ride, yet one ran away without the vehicle and the other turned his back on the "homeowner" (do we know he owns a home or was at his property?) and walked away. Not indicative of someone retreating from a robbery.

How many others were in the car? Two present, clearly an additional driver, tinted windows. Possibly a gang, which by definition means there are more. The one who ran away appeared to draw a handgun from a waistband or pocket, but any remaining in the vehicle may have had rifles or other weapons.

The individual who ran may have been just off camera and may have still been a threat. The man's movement toward the street may have been a response to something off camera, the other individual, etc.

Far better to move toward cover in this case, and it also underscores a good reason to have the cell phone with him instead of in the house or elsewhere. That 911 call could become an integral part of the subsequent legal action if it went that far.

Without context, we don't know that this was a robbery. We don't know about prior history for any involved, or between those involved. We don't know if the "homeowner" reacted properly or not, or if he was being threatened, or not. Up until the moment he reached for his own handgun, he did not appear defensive, and the others did not appear agressive. Again without context and a better video, it's hard to say. It's entirely possible that one of the two visitors insulted the man with the firearm, and his reaction was inappropriate. There's not enough information present to know.

Clearly the paddle holster was a bad choice. His draw wasn't impressive. He doesn't appear to be someone who has trained a lot. Perhaps he's in a bad neighborhood and open carries as a warning. If one is going to announce carry a big stick, knowing how to use it is key. Knowing when to use it, too, and what to do when he is using it and when one has used it.

The thing is, without context, we don't know who here, if anyone, committed the a crime.

It looked like the guy in the red shirt had a gun of his own that he started to pull out right before he ran off.

Here's a news story on it. The police caught three of them. They think a fourth (female) suspect got away. One of the suspects got shot robbing another home owner (but unfortunately survived).

NewsOn6.com - Armed Tulsa Homeowner Confronts Robbery Suspects

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Tulsa Police have three suspects in custody after the group pulled off a couple of armed robberies Wednesday night, July 24. One of the three was shot by a homeowner who said he felt threatened.

The suspects tried to rob another Tulsa homeowner who was armed while he was working on his yard.

Authorities said the first robbery was around 8 p.m. in a neighborhood near 11th Street and Highway 169.

Police said Andrew Payton, 20, and two teenage suspects pulled a gun on the man who was mowing his yard, getting away with $12 and a debit card.

They tried their luck a second time with a homeowner near 45th and Lewis about two hours later. Doorbell surveillance video shows them confronting a man who was working in his yard.

This man pulled a gun from a holster, and the suspects leave without getting anything. That homeowner did not fire at the suspects, police said.

Corporal J.P. Ward says officers began looking city-wide for the suspects.

"We got a pretty good description of the vehicle at that point and then, we got some officers on scene and they exactly found some photos of the vehicle in neighboring houses' security systems," Ward said.

Police say they caught one of the suspects, Andrew Payton, after a short chase ended in a crash near 11th and Sheridan. They say Payton had the gun used in the robbery.

The 17-year-old suspect surrendered to police, and officers say a 15-year-old suspect was shot by a homeowner who was aware of the chase and said the juvenile was running toward him. The juvenile is expected to be OK.

That homeowner, Zachariah Cook, refused to give police a statement and was arrested on a complaint of shooting with intent to kill. Police said there is a chance the homeowner used justified force, and the judge may decide to drop the charge.

Police say there were reports of a fourth suspect, but she has not been found. Payton and the two juvenile suspects (brothers ages 15 and 17) are in jail.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:
My P938 with the Hogue grips and extended mag is excellent. It is 9mm in a light, compact pocket holster ...

... that weighs nearly twice what my Ruger LCP weighs.

So I tried it, last night. Dropped my LCP-CT and its pocket holster in my gym shorts. That ain't gonna work, no way, no how.

But I did find stashing it in the waistband at 4 o'clock seemed workable, so I'm going to order a thin, light Kydex IWB holster for it today. I think that will work.

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Originally posted by Storm:
One of the suspects got shot robbing another home owner (but unfortunately survived).

Not according to the link at the story that you posted.

The homeowner that shot the 15 year old did so because "he was aware of the chase" and saw the 15 year old running toward him. The homeowner was arrested and charged with "shooting with intent to kill."

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
... that weighs nearly twice what my Ruger LCP weighs.

So I tried it, last night. Dropped my LCP-CT and its pocket holster in my gym shorts. That ain't gonna work, no way, no how.

Belly band or a smart carry.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
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But I did find stashing it in the waistband at 4 o'clock seemed workable, so I'm going to order a thin, light Kydex IWB holster for it today. I think that will work.

Good luck. I hope that works.



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Originally posted by TigerDore:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
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But I did find stashing it in the waistband at 4 o'clock seemed workable, so I'm going to order a thin, light Kydex IWB holster for it today. I think that will work.

Good luck. I hope that works.

Thanks. I think it will work fine. The LCP weighs merely 9.4 oz. unloaded. (Mine's slightly heavier, as it's the -CT.) My Kydex bender is making me a 15° cant IWB holster out of 0.080" Boltaron Suede, with a UtilClip for superior holster security in "beltless-wear."

The 0.080" Kydex holster he made for my PPS M2 weighs nothing. This one might float away if I'm not careful

IMO it's a darned shame that you aren't allowed to shoot someone in the back after they've tried to rob you on your own property. That A-hole sauntering beck to the car really needs to get his backside ventilated and two barrels of #8 bird shot would provide an excellent education. Of course in this situation your limited in the weapons choice so I expect that a 9mm in the back of each knee would also provide an excellent education.

BTW, cut my grass last Saturday wearing what I always wear for yardwork, Carhartt Jeans and a Carharrt Pocket Tee with Wolverine steel toed boots. Heck the Heat Index was only 105 and I really don't understand why you young snowflakes think you need to be near naked to do yard work. Of course growing up in an era where Air Conditioning was reserved for the wealthy may have something to do with that.