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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
You know their ghosts still haunt us. Hill the Pill gets a participation trophy from some Ivy League school, and we post two and a half pages of comments on the subject. Predict that one day they, too, will be ushered off of the national stage, and several will post dire predictions of them rising from the political grave to drink the blood of the unwary. Can we finally just lay those specters of hippie empowerment to rest, if only in our own minds or at least a gun forum, when the best the New York Times can do for its darlings is hint that you can see they're wearing fig leaves if you squint and look real close? Dig.
Some compression for space; original text at http://www.nytimes.com/2018/05...n-bill-midterms.html So. Bill's prone to rages, has been known to ramble about what is now irrelevant, and is quietly being sidelined to targeted fundraising events and races where the Democrats are very likely to win. As I highlighted above, it also appears that he's not going to get a pass for treating women like Kleenex in the age of Harvey Weinstein. Hill's sorta laying low, sorta not, sorta pissing everyone else off, and also only popular with campaigns where the race is between two Democrats. Not that her rear view mirror couldn't use cleaning off - she may not have done as well in the primary as she might have had she been a socialist, but there was no way in hell being a socialist was going to give her a win in the general election. Nor would inducing the Dems to fall in love with a Dem candidate somehow force the Republicans to "fall in line". Lost, rambling, nowhere to go...can we stick a fork in them yet? Or at least not give a damn if Hill picks up a participation trophy at some remarkably liberal college? Does anyone see anything here that suggests that either or both of them are still a threat in any realistic sense? | ||
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Don’t think for a second that she isn’t considering a comeback run for 2020. Her party will fall in line because moderate democrats are a joke and the lefter the party goes the more Felonia VonPantsuit is the choice. | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
She's decided that a major problem with her campaign in '16 was that she was too much of a capitalist and a centrist, and she was roundly rejected in the primary by (of all things) Bernie Sanders voters. I don't think moving the Dems to the left is going to raise her stock in the Dem Party. | |||
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Get Off My Lawn |
Both Bill and Hillary are finished, kaput, damaged goods in Democrat politics. They will continue to embarrass themselves, completely oblivious to the fact that they are irrelevant to most folks now. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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They own the Democratic Party and they have spawn. ========================================== Just my 2¢ ____________________________ Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right ♫♫♫ | |||
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The two most brutal words a Democrat candidate can say to the Clintons: No thanks. | |||
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Speling Champ |
Does anyone really think that bitch is going to live another three years if even half of what is suspected about her health is true. On the off chance that she does live, does anyone really think Bernie, Warren and the rest of the Dems are going to just roll over again. No way. Not for her, not anymore. As Oddball said, the Clintons are becoming more irrelevant every day. Then there's Trump. I sincerely believe he is going to start counter attacking, in a no shit, vengeance is mine, wrath of God biblical sense, in the coming months. Hitlery may never see a jail cell but she is done. Now and forever. | |||
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If Armageddon came cockroaches, junkies and that wretch would survive. | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
^^^ Survive, yes - but take office?
Ah, but Obama (who also wants to be the big man of the DNC) hasn't made the mistakes he has or made the mistakes and suffered the losses she has. I'm not entirely sure (especially after reading the article) that the Clintons actually own more than three or four East Coast pockets of the DNC. At the same time the said spawn, at least so far, is no player.
And therein, IMHO, lies the heart of the story. She demanded money, she demanded power, she demanded sacrifices, she demanded loyalty, and she pretty much got them - and then went out and lost spectacularly in a race that every single Dem had long decided was a lock for the Dem candidate. Dems love illusions, but they won't tolerate much disappointment. They hated her then and when she didn't deliver, that was it. | |||
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Rule #1: Use enough gun |
Not anymore. When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed. Luke 11:21 "Every nation in every region now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." -- George W. Bush | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Hillary is toast. She's the only one who doesn't know it. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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The NYT misses it entirely. That's not why young dems didn't vote for her. They were enthusiastic about Bernie and totally turned off when the party, HRC, and DW-S fixed the primary, steamrolling any chance Bernie had, regardless of how the votes went. So the young voters on the dem side just didn't vote. In the face of Chelsea's two million dollar wedding, 10 million dollar apartment, and having no-work / high-pay jobs lavished on her, Hillary couldn't understand that it would take more than getting her thirty-something daughter to put on blue jeans and a leather jacket to win over America's youth, many of whom live in Mom's basement, work at McDonalds, and can't even pay the interest on their staggering student loans. ... stirred anti-clockwise. | |||
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I believe in the principle of Due Process |
One’s standing in the party is directly proportional to the degree to which the party members perceive your potential for future power, holding office, raising money, writing checks, etc. If you hold office now, what is the potential for future office? Are you really rich? Are your friends/sponsors rich? If you are Presidential material in the reasonably near future, you get a lot of attention. Once that potential is dissipated, your phone calls may not be getting returned, except by reporters looking for a story. The Clintons control a lot of money, and still have friends whose support can be important. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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stupid beyond all belief |
Shell be in jail before the end of 2019. You heard it here first. What man is a man that does not make the world better. -Balian of Ibelin Only boring people get bored. - Ruth Burke | |||
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Conservative Behind Enemy Lines |
Deqlyn, if your prediction pans out, you're getting a karma from me! | |||
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delicately calloused |
I think the Clintons are done. What they have left is influence in decrescendo. They are both damaged. They are both corrupt and everyone knows it. Those moved by a Clinton endorsement were already on board anyway. What we don't remember sometimes is how age related decline is exponential. They are both elderly and rapidly approaching frailty that can't be concealed. There are younger, less compromised challengers out there pressing for public attention. The contrast serves to illustrate fading Clinton value. Soon they will be left to self congratulate and venerate as no one else is interested. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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"Both Bill and Hillary are finished, kaput, damaged goods in Democrat politics. They will continue to embarrass themselves, completely oblivious to the fact that they are irrelevant to most folks now." Ah, except for the unintended comedy they both produce! Every time I hear or see one or the other, I start laughing even before they speak as I know for certain whatever they spew will be hilarious, in an odd and ugly way.... | |||
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Oriental Redneck |
Klintons are done. Watch for Kamala Harris to rise. They successfully ran their first black President. Now, it will be the first female black President. Q | |||
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Dead pool, Hillary vs. McCain? ____________________ | |||
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I Am The Walrus |
If it were both at the same time, the American people win! _____________ | |||
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