The Adjutant General of the state National Guard is, foremost, a politician. They serve at the pleasure of the Governor.

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Originally posted by az4783054:
Should these laws be passed, would the democrats who pass the laws be willing to enforce and/or go door to door?

As I noted above, Northam and crew would be more than willing to pit the VNG against law abiding citizens while sitting back and watching the carnage, but the filth in Richmond don't have the sack to get involved themselves.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by marksman41:
I must be missing it too, then. Where in the statement from the AG of the Nat'l. Guard does he say yay or nay to being used in an enforcement role?

He doesn't say either way in the statement he released, nor did I or the OP say that he did. No one that I know of has said that the AG has said he would carry out a confiscation order.

The issue is the threat of the democrats to issue such an order to the National Guard.

fpuhan said he hadn't seen anything from the AG regarding which way the Nat'l. Guard will go; you posted a link to the statement from the AG as if it answered his question but which says nothing at all about which way the Nat'l. Guard will go. What is the point of making or posting something that says nothing? In other words, fpuhan is still correct - the Nat'l. Guard has said nothing about how they will align.

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Originally posted by marksman41:

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

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Originally posted by marksman41:
I must be missing it too, then. Where in the statement from the AG of the Nat'l. Guard does he say yay or nay to being used in an enforcement role?

He doesn't say either way in the statement he released, nor did I or the OP say that he did. No one that I know of has said that the AG has said he would carry out a confiscation order.

The issue is the threat of the democrats to issue such an order to the National Guard.

fpuhan said he hadn't seen anything from the AG regarding which way the Nat'l. Guard will go; you posted a link to the statement from the AG which says nothing at all about which way the Nat'l. Guard will go. What is the point of making or posting something that says nothing? In other words, fpuhan is still correct - the Nat'l. Guard has said nothing about how they will align.

Not trying to fight or be contrary, fpuhan said there had been no response from the Guard and I simply posted the link to the statement that the AG had issued.

Oh, got it. I misread what he posted. Sorry for the angst.

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Originally posted by marksman41:
Oh, got it. I misread what he posted. Sorry for the angst.

It's all good, we are all on the same team!

Another Democrat, reveling the depth of their hatred for the other side. Not only do they not like the other side's interests and habits but, they want to pass laws which infringes and rides roughshod over those interests. Keep digging.

You guys know that we have a couple of threads running about the mess in VA where this is being discussed in great detail, right?

As of now, their "intent" is meaningless. Virginia is a Commonwealth. That means that search warrants have to be issued and signed in state court in that county. So, the guard is still going to have to get the warrants from the jurisdictions (elected officials) who have already given Northam the finger. How do we think that is going to go? If they conduct searches without warrants we have much bigger problems than a few gun control laws. No jury is going to convict, no grand jury is going to indict in a free area. Northam can beat his chest and cry that these areas becoming sanctuary means nothing all he likes. The message has been sent. Either way, I see a lot of guardsmen/women going AWOL if they are summoned up to be turned against the population.

F these guys. But, let's not suspend reality too much in our hand wringing. I'd venture to say that the local Sheriff's Offices aren't getting a whole lot of state aid in the first place so the whole monetary threat has no teeth either. Northam is firing duds on all cylinders. They can enact all the laws they want, but they aren't going to get the first conviction. And they know this now.

Northam and his idiot AG have bitten off more than they can chew. They are desperate at this point because they didn't expect the serfs to rebel.

We must remember two things.

1. The National Guard is comprised of Citizen /Soldiers.

They are foremost citizens who live in their community and work at their civilian jobs.

2. Recruitment and retention of National Guard soldiers is a very hard proposition in a bad economy,let alone today's booming economy.

If the State were to mobilize National Guard Soldiers against their own state citizens it would be a disaster. These Soldiers must live and work along side a population they would be ordered to repress. Many soldiers would just not show up for the muster and those that did would actively or passively resist orders to disarm fellow citizens.

Recruitment and retention would become almost impossible and the system would collapse in just a short time.

The National Guard already knows how hard it is to keep it's ranks barely sufficient and would resist all attempts to use them as a pawn. Even if the Governor mobilized the troops he would be committing a death blow to this voluntary force.

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Originally posted by TomV:
Image the sh1t storm if the Governor of Arizona called for the National Guard to enforce the boarder ?

Just enforcing laws that are on the books...

You must mean shitstorm from the Dims. From what I’ve seen of AZ residents, they’d be dropping by to see if the NG folks needed any food, drinks, ammo, or assistance.

In one of the other threads a poster noted that all mobilizing the Guard would do is give the rebellious populace belt fed weapons.

Bring it on Ralphie...

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Originally posted by Johnny 3eagles:
The Adjutant General of the state National Guard is, foremost, a politician. They serve at the pleasure of the Governor.

Well, how many AR-15s do you think he can carry at one time? Maybe he can get eight of 'em if somebody else stacks 'em in his arms. He's gonna be a long time at the confiscatin', ain't he?

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
In one of the other threads a poster noted that all mobilizing the Guard would do is give the rebellious populace belt fed weapons.

Bring it on Ralphie...

Hey Artie, maybe like the #cnnblackmail we need to start #bringitralphie.

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
In one of the other threads a poster noted that all mobilizing the Guard would do is give the rebellious populace belt fed weapons.

And probably some tanks, APCs, trucks, and AT-4 rockets and LOADS of ammunition!

GREAT CALL!

I can't see this issue getting resolved by the courts before Northam's term ends. And the governor of VA is limited to one term.

I'd still love to see Trump hold a rally in NoVA and promise to preempt Northam by federalizing the VNG on some grounds that would take years to wind its way through the courts.

How about this scenario: Blackface Northam mobilizes the National Guard to arrest Sheriffs who refuse to comply with state mandated gun confiscation laws.President Trump then Federalizes those same troops to enforce the 2nd Amendment and arrest Blackface Northam for violating Virginian's constitutional rights.I know the arrest is fantasizing.

Historical precedent in Arkansas in civil rights case.

Arkansas National Guard and the integration of Central High Schoool

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..._Central_High_School

On May 17, 1954, the U.S Supreme Court ruled that racial segregation of public schools was unconstitutional in the United States.[1] That ruling would focus the spotlight of national attention in the United States upon the Arkansas National Guard and the integration of Central High School. The Arkansas National Guard was drawn into the conflict when Governor Orval Faubus ordered them to "Preserve the Peace" by turning away the black students who were attempting to integrate into Little Rock's Central High School. United States President Dwight D. Eisenhower reacted to this use of the Guard to foil the court-ordered integration by federalizing the entire Arkansas National Guard and using it to protect the nine black students integrating Central High School.

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What's kinda comical is the national guard members will likely also be in violation of the new unconstitutional laws Northam and his cabal are pushing. As such, I wonder how willing they'd be to oppose other Virginians on this issue.

I'll just say any given National Guard member is orders of magnitude more likely to be a member of Sigforum than a contributor to the Huffington Post.

For all of you who say, "it won't happen," I invite you to recall the gun confiscations during Katrina.

Think back as to what agencies / groups were involved in this gun grab. Can you name all of them?

Yes, door-to-door confiscation was done, and guns were taken, and it seems those doing the grabbing were "just following orders."

We can dream that it won't happen, but we only need to go back to the memory of Katrina to know otherwise.

It's not the same thing. Katrina was a sudden, unplanned event, and one in which all normal social activity ceased. There was no time for planning, no time for coordination, no time to ponder the consequences, and essentially no ability for intercommunication of citizens. It was a natural disaster which threw everything into complete chaos, as opposed to this, which is the enforcement of a new and questionable law, which is known months in advance. Add to that, the substantial changes in the mood of the country and the attitudes towards government in the 15 years since Katrina. To me, the difference is quite clear. Apples and oranges

Northam will not, and will never, call upon the Nat'l Guard to enforce gun-control laws that Michael Bloomberg bought with his huge donations. Hear me? It will never happen.

The problem is the threat. The THREAT is the issue.

That any Virginia politician would threaten using the Nat'l Guard against Virginia citizens to take away their rights is beyond the pale. It is prima facie proof that the Democrats in Virginia are bought and sold by outside influences and have no regard at all for the people they represent.

In times past, even Virginia democrats had some honor. SOME. Some of Virginia's best gun laws were signed into law by Democratic governors. That all changed with carpetbagger Terry McAuliffe. He was the first of the state politicians who answered solely to the forces that paid to get him elected and ignored the people of the state. All new democrats in this state are the same.

Michael Bloomberg and Planned Parenthood bought this election. Our democrats answer to them, not the people.