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Msgr. Carlo Maria Viganò
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Announcement regarding the start of the extrajudicial criminal trial for schism



The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith has informed me, with a simple email, of the initiation of an extrajudicial penal trial against me, with the accusation of having committed the crime of schism and charging me of having denied the legitimacy of “Pope Francis” of having broken communion “with Him” and of having rejected the Second Vatican Council. I have been summoned to the Palace of the Holy Office on June 20, in person or represented by a canon lawyer. I assume that the sentence has already been prepared, given that it is an extrajudicial process.

I regard the accusations against me as an honor. I believe that the very wording of the charges confirms the theses that I have repeatedly defended in my various addresses. It is no coincidence that the accusation against me concerns the questioning of the legitimacy of Jorge Mario Bergoglio and the rejection of Vatican II: the Council represents the ideological, theological, moral, and liturgical cancer of which the Bergoglian “synodal church” is the necessary metastasis.

It is necessary for the Episcopate, the Clergy and the People of God to seriously ask themselves whether it is consistent with the profession of the Catholic Faith to passively witness the systematic destruction of the Church by its leaders, just as other subversives are destroying civil society. Globalism calls for ethnic substitution: Bergoglio promotes uncontrolled immigration and calls for the integration of cultures and religions. Globalism supports LGBTQ+ ideology: Bergoglio authorizes the blessing of same-sex couples and imposes on the faithful the acceptance of homosexualism, while covering up the scandals of his protégés and promoting them to the highest positions of responsibility. Globalism imposes the green agenda: Bergoglio worships the idol of the Pachamama, writes delirious encyclicals about the environment, supports the Agenda 2030, and attacks those who question the theory of man-made global warming. He goes beyond his role in matters that strictly pertain to science, but always and only in one direction: a direction that is diametrically opposed to what the Church has always taught. He has mandated the use of experimental gene serums, which caused very serious damage, death and sterility, calling them “an act of love,” in exchange for funding from pharmaceutical companies and philanthropic foundations. His total alignment with the Davos religion is scandalous. Wherever governments at the service of the World Economic Forum have introduced or extended abortion, promoted vice, legitimized homosexual unions or gender transition, encouraged euthanasia, and tolerated the persecution of Catholics, not a word has been spent in defense of the Faith or Morals that are threatened, or in support of the civil battles of so many Catholics who have been abandoned by the Vatican and the Bishops. Not a word for the persecuted Catholics in China, with the complicity of the Holy See, which considers Beijing’s billions more important than the lives and freedom of thousands of Chinese who are faithful to the Roman Church. In the “synodal church” presided over by Bergoglio, no schism is recognized among the German Episcopate, or among the government-appointed Bishops who have been consecrated in China without the mandate of Rome. Because their action is consistent with the destruction of the Church, and therefore must be concealed, minimized, tolerated, and finally encouraged. In these eleven years of “pontificate” the Catholic Church has been humiliated and discredited above all because of the scandals and corruption of the leaders of the Hierarchy, which have been totally ignored even as the most ruthless Vatican authoritarianism raged against faithful priests and religious, small communities of traditional nuns, and communities tied to the Latin Mass.

This one-sided zeal is reminiscent of Cromwell’s fanaticism, typical of those who defy Providence in the presumption of knowing that they are finally at the top of the hierarchical pyramid, free to do and undo as they please without anyone objecting to anything. And this work of destruction, this willingness to renounce the salvation of souls in the name of a human peace that denies God is not an invention of Bergoglio, but the main (and unmentionable) purpose of those who used a Council to contradict the Catholic Magisterium and to begin to demolish the Church from within, in small steps, but always in a single direction, always with the indulgent tolerance or culpable inaction – if not the explicit approval – of the Roman authorities. The Catholic Church has been slowly but surely taken over, and Bergoglio has been given the task of making it a philanthropic agency, the “church of humanity, of inclusion, of the environment” at the service of the New World Order. But this is not the Catholic Church: it is her counterfeit.

The resignation of Benedict XVI and the appointment by the St. Gallen Mafia of a successor in line with the diktats of the Agenda 2030 was intended to allow – and has succeeded in allowing – the global coup to take place with the complicity and authoritative support of the Church of Rome. Bergoglio is to the Church what other world leaders are to their nations: traitors, subversives, and final liquidators of traditional society who are certain of impunity. Bergoglio’s defect of consent (vitium consensus) in accepting his election is based precisely on the evident alienity of his action of government and magisterium with respect to what any Catholic of any age expects from the Vicar of Christ and the Successor of the Prince of the Apostles. Everything that Bergoglio does constitutes an offense and a provocation to the entire Catholic Church, to her Saints of all times, to the Martyrs who were killed in odium Fidei, and to the Popes of all times until the Second Vatican Council.

This is also and principally an offense against the Divine Head of the Church, Our Lord Jesus Christ, Whose sacred authority Bergoglio claims to exercise for the detriment of the Mystical Body, with an action that is too systematic and coherent to appear to be the fruit of mere incapacity. In the work of Bergoglio and his circle, the Lord’s warning is put into practice: Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the guise of lambs, but who are ravenous wolves at heart (Mt 7:15). I am honored not to have – and indeed I do not want – any ecclesial communion with them: theirs is a lobby, which conceals its complicity with the masters of the world in order to deceive many souls and prevent any resistance against the establishment of the Kingdom of the Antichrist.

In the face of the Dicastery’s accusations, I claim, as Successor of the Apostles, to be in full communion with the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church, with the Magisterium of the Roman Pontiffs, and with the uninterrupted doctrinal, moral, and liturgical Tradition which they have faithfully preserved.

I repudiate the neomodernist errors inherent in the Second Vatican Council and in the so-called “post-conciliar magisterium,” in particular in matters of collegiality, ecumenism, religious freedom, the secularity of the State, and the liturgy.

I repudiate, reject, and condemn the scandals, errors, and heresies of Jorge Mario Bergoglio, who manifests an absolutely tyrannical management of power, exercised against the purpose that legitimizes Authority in the Church: an authority that is vicarious of that of Christ, and as such must obey Him alone. This separation of the Papacy from its legitimizing principle, which is Christ the High Priest, transforms the ministerium into a self-referential tyranny.

No Catholic worthy of the name can be in communion with this “Bergoglian church,” because it acts in clear discontinuity and rupture with all the Popes of history and with the Church of Christ.

Fifty years ago, in that same Palace of the Holy Office, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was summoned and accused of schism for rejecting Vatican II. His defense is mine; his words are mine; and his arguments are mine – arguments before which the Roman authorities could not condemn him for heresy, having to wait instead for him to consecrate bishops so as to have the pretext of declaring him schismatic and then revoking his excommunication when he was already dead. The scheme is repeated even after half a century has demonstrated Archbishop Lefebvre’s prophetic choice.

In these times of apostasy, Catholics will find in Pastors faithful to the mandate received from Our Lord an example and an encouragement to abide in the Truth of Christ.

Depositum custodi, according to the Apostle’s exhortation: as the time approaches when I will have to give an account to the Son of God of all my actions, I intend to persevere in the bonum certamen and not to fail in the witness of faith which is required of each one who, as Bishop, has been endowed with the fullness of the priesthood and constituted Successor of the Apostles.

I invite all Catholics to pray that the Lord will come to the aid of His Church and give courage to those who are persecuted for their Faith.


+ Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop

June 20, 2024

https://exsurgedomine.it/240620-attendite-eng/



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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Amen, there will be a place near God for him.

His willingness to say it as it is. Is refreshing and honest.

May God be with him through the process.



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Shocking Schism Trial: Vigano on Trial for Schism under Pope Francis - Dr. Taylor Marshall #1100



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"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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Jorge Mario Bergoglio

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I'm not Catholic, so I had to look up a little background to see who Carlo Maria Viganò is, and what precipitated this...but having done so I must say good for him. He definitely calls it as he sees it, and doesn't mince words:

"Everything that Bergoglio does constitutes an offense and a provocation to the entire Catholic Church, to her Saints of all times, to the Martyrs who were killed in odium Fidei, and to the Popes of all times until the Second Vatican Council."

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the guise of lambs, but who are ravenous wolves at heart (Mt 7:15). I am honored not to have – and indeed I do not want – any ecclesial communion with them: theirs is a lobby, which conceals its complicity with the masters of the world in order to deceive many souls and prevent any resistance against the establishment of the Kingdom of the Antichrist."

Pretty damning language, but appropriate, IMO. If this was the 14 or 1500s, they'd probably burn him at the stake.

He appears to be a faithful man of integrity, and while it's likely going to cost him personally, hopefully his willingness to speak up for the truth emboldens others to do the same.
 
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You have to salute personal integrity and holding true to your beliefs in the face of adversity. It seems to be rare nowadays.




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He appears to be a faithful man of integrity, and while it's likely going to cost him personally, hopefully his willingness to speak up for the truth emboldens others to do the same.

Exactly. He can't really win the trial if he doesn't dispute the charges, but there are bigger questions here.

For traditional Catholics, this is kind of a big deal...
Someone is standing up, not just to Francis but to the globalists he supports.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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extrajudicial penal trial
Sounds like Bergoglio's personal inquisition.


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As a life-long Catholic (73 yoa), I am now witnessing a new Schism. The infestation of Communism into the Church began after the Vatican Council 2 in 1964, when the “Prayer to St Michael” was dropped from the Ordinary of the Low Mass.

That Prayer had been specifically added by Pope Leo XIII in 1886 after he had a vision/dream of Satan and God conversing, in which Satan said he could destroy the Church. God said to Satan to have a go at it, but only one century could be used; Satan chose the 20th Century. God is said the have then revealed the events of the 20th Century to Pope Leo, which prompted him to write the Prayer.

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Archbishop Viganò faces off with the Pope
As some Catholics know, Archbishop Viganò is a hero in the eyes of many who do not enjoy the spectacle of Pope Francis’ continual and seemingly ongoing reversal of Catholic teaching and law. The hyperpolitical, leftist Pope has been, by his own words, engaged in irreversibly (he hopes) and increasingly modifying (according to his own predilections) the Catholic Church since he took papal office. Sound like anybody you know?

Viganò has been consistently faithful to Canon Law and to the established teachings of the Church, his warnings falling against a wall of thunderous silence from most of the Western bishops (some in America have supported him) and various dogbodies who tend to the administrative bidding of the Vatican rather than to follow the clear teachings of Jesus and his apostolic instructions. Viganò’s positions are therefore judged by Pope Francis and his like as those of a conservative and faithful priest -- not a globalist or environmentalist or an advocate of a post-national, socialist world.

Today, Viganò has been summoned to Rome with the threat of excommunication:

“Rome -- June 20, 2024

The disgraced former papal nuncio to the United States, Italian Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, announced that he has been charged with schism by the Vatican's doctrinal office, after a six-year rogue period in which he called for Pope Francis to resign and labeled him a "false prophet."

On June 20, the archbishop posted on his own website a two-page decree from the Vatican's Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith ordering him to appear for a trial regarding "public statements that show a denial of points necessary for the preservation of communion with the Catholic Church."

The decree is dated June 11 and is signed by Msgr. John Kennedy, secretary of the doctrinal office's disciplinary section, requesting that Viganò present himself on June 20 at 15:30 to formally receive the accusation and evidence against him.”

Actually, if there has been, or might be, any schism, it could sooner be laid at the door of Pope Francis himself. He has allowed politics and his own self-importance to destroy his only legitimate apostolic role, as a shepherd of Jesus’ faith. Francis courts the press, speaking out continually in a purely political framework; he scorns regular Catholics in America, he invites and courts celebrities and politicians with a frequency and tastelessness never approximated by any Pope in history. While reversing Canon Law with impunity himself, the Pope is now using his reimagined authority to possibly ex-communicate Viganò:

More recently, in 2022, Italy's military chaplain, Archbishop Santo Marciano, published an open letter to Viganò condemning his spread of conspiracy theories.


In his June 20 blog post, Viganò said he considered the charges brought against him to be an "honor.”

“A representative from the Vatican's doctrinal office did not immediately respond to NCR's request for comment. The decree states that if Viganò remains unresponsive through June 28, he will be sentenced in absentia.

According to the Church's Code of Canon Law, the charge of schism is punishable by excommunication.”

It is telling that the Pope’s episcopal staff used the slogan ‘conspiracy theory’ in its 2022 letter to Viganò -- the very phrase is redolent of the word-justifications for the current persecution of Christians by the American Left. In fact, much of the Pope’s current embroglios into politics reflect his obvious preference for ideology over substance, for opinion over matters of faith, and, most unfortunately, reveal a Bidenesque spite in his Papal wielding of power. In both men, personal interest is judged, instinctively or not, of far more relevance than that of their oaths of office. Next thing, the Pope will be talking ‘disinformation’ -- if he hasn’t already.

From Archbishop Viganò in his Easter 2024 message:

“Christians are progressively banished from civil society and considered a threat to the subversive project of the New World Order, while a minority of the vicious and perverted claim to erect their deviations as the universal norm. Here is the "visibility" of Biden and the woke ideology, celebrating a macabre mad dance to the abyss.”

No wonder Archbishop Viganò is in trouble in Rome, in a Vatican we have never seen before.


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Galileo is a prime example of the church overstepping its bounds.


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More bulls**t from the leftist woke globalist Marxist Vatican.

Huge KUDOs to Vigano!

I was raised Catholic and attended a Christian Brothers HS and Jesuit college. Like Reagan said about the Demonrat Party having left him, the Catholic Church left me.



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bald1, I’m with you… but I hope you come back.
The heretics aren’t worth it.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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This is a very big deal imho. Not just for Catholics but all believers in God our Father. It has ripple affects for us all.
I do not think he will go quietly, nor do I think he should. He speaks the truth. And believers need to perk up and hear it and see it for themselves.

As DJT say's. If it can happen to him. It can happen to you. Same applies here. We need to stand with them and speak the truth.

In this fight, the bishop is the truth teller, not the deceiver.



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I’m far from a holy man, however this thread has led me down a rabbit hole of google searches.

Good on him. God Bless Archbishop Viganò. I agree with his stance, and pray for him.



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Sadly, Vigano will very likely suffer the same fate as Strickland and Pavone. However, my faith remains solid, and it should for all Catholics, as even the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. It seems I've read that somewhere before....

Bergoglio's time is coming...soon, and I suspect that he's not going to care much for where he's going. Perhaps, then, we can get things back on track.


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I’m a traditional Catholic (TLM only), but am not a Vigano fan.

Abp Vigano came to prominence when he said that he had warned the Vatican about then-Cardinal McCarrick. He said he had plenty more to disclose about the McCarrick situation, but never did. Instead he started weighing in on lots of other topics, including U.S. elections. For a while, not a week went by without Abp Vigano issuing yet another letter about some issue.

It is disgraceful the way the hierarchy in Rome ignores or sidesteps the numerous heretics and sexual deviants within the Church, yet aggressively persecutes faithful Catholics. But I see Abp Vigano as an attention seeker who has consistently provoked Francis and made this response inevitable.


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As a life-long Catholic (73 yoa), I am now witnessing a new Schism.


Agree 100%.

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The infestation of Communism into the Church began after the Vatican Council 2 in 1964, when the “Prayer to St Michael” was dropped from the Ordinary of the Low Mass.

I think it began before that. There were significant changes made to the Mass even before V2.


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The infestation of Communism into the Church began after the Vatican Council 2 in 1964, when the “Prayer to St Michael” was dropped from the Ordinary of the Low Mass.

I think it began before that. There were significant changes made to the Mass even before V2.

Yes. Alinsky played a major role in the infestation clear back in the 40s. Some argue that his efforts led to V2.


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Sent to escort him to trial...





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What we can hope is soon there will be a new pope and he will do what the Catholic pope should do.

That would go a long way to start the process of getting the church back on track.

It has been somewhat of a disaster in recent years.

Many Catholics are disillusioned and support what the bishop has said.



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