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I cannot take it for off-grid camping.

No. You can't. Yes, this makes an EV truck kind of a stupid concept for a lot of people who want to use a truck for truck things. If you want to run a landscaping business in the suburbs, it's maybe a different story.

Just this gem, "responsible citizenship these days", tells you all you need to know.

Gasoline powered vehicle.
Time to fill up - 5 minutes
Cost to fill up - $45


EV
Time to refill charge - 2 Hrs
Cost to charge - $56


Seems like a no brainer to me. Who want's to add 2 hours to their trip just to charge???

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Originally posted by snwghst:
Saw the article this morning

How does installing a 60A circuit and lvl 2 charger cost $6000

Electrician did mine and all labor, materials and the charger was $700

Dude is an idiot and didn’t do his due diligence and researching

Pretty sure you got off cheap at $700.
If he bought the Ford charger, it's an 80A unit, which is ~$1300. I'm guessing they had to upgrade his service panel, or the feeder to it. When you start buying wire, especially big wire, things have a way of escalating.

As far as adding at his business, well, that depends on if you're installing it out in a parking lot, and trenching in the wire, and whatnot.

It wouldn't surprise me if he spent that much, especially in Canadian dollars...

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
I think it is more that he is an idiot.

He didn't check to see what he would need to do to charge the truck at home and work.

This ^^^^^

Plus, he didn't take the EV's limitations into account, knowing he wanted a truck for taking to his cabin or going off-grid camping.

How stupid does one have to be not to be able to figure this out ahead of time?

All that money and he should have limitations? Sounds like some folks on here want to make excuses for what most can clearly see as governments pushing people into a technology before it's ready for primetime. A lot of people have been duped into believing that having an EV is no different than a ICE vehicle and in some cases, even better. It's hard to put the onus entirely on the guy that bought the truck, especially when every article (government sponsored/funded I'm sure) that he's ever read has told him that EV's are no different than any other and you shouldn't be afraid to grab one at an exorbitant price and drive it like an ICE truck.

Its great that he got to enjoy EV's 1st hand. Expensive lesson.

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most can clearly see as governments pushing people into a technology before it's ready for primetime

Even if it was ready for primetime, the government shouldn't be pushing people into anything. Let the market do its thing.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Gasoline powered vehicle.
Time to fill up - 5 minutes
Cost to fill up - $45


EV
Time to refill charge - 2 Hrs
Cost to charge - $56


Seems like a no brainer to me. Who want's to add 2 hours to their trip just to charge???

Like I said he’s not a smart man.

If he would have done any research he would have figured out that there are apps for charging.

Electrify America/ Electrify Canada is just one example of this. For $4 a month you get membership pricing. Something like $.38 per Kw. If you’re not a member it’s $.48 kw. My charges were about $12 for over 200 miles and took about 40 minutes not 2 hours.

I don’t know what this guy did at the charging station. After you hit 80% charge they throttle the charge to get you off the charger faster so the next EV can charge.

The article seems to be written by an anti EV person. Using the worst anecdote example.

He’s a dumb ass…

I agree this guy is an idiot. That being said, there are a lot of people, me for one, who aren’t “car” people.

If you read articles on EV they don’t tend to highlight just how bad they are for things other than short commutes. I make it a point to read car magazine articles about EV driving long distances. It is comical how much they candy coat the pitfalls of EV in these scenarios. They are almost universally positive about things like stopping to enjoy lunch while fueling up, the ease of the tech to find chargers, etc.

My point is that if you just read the fluff, which is most of the stuff out there, you might think this is well within the vehicles capabilities. Ie, they have been lying and not everyone has taken the red pill yet.

Another thing. You don’t get to say “well he didn’t take limitations into account” when these things are being jammed down our throats. Have you seen the latest EPA CAFE numbers I believe they are called?

That's why you need to do your homework, researching the pros and cons, and not just believing all the flowery descriptions, especially when you are about to spend an arm and a leg for being "responsible citizenship these days". The guy was just brainwashed.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
I think it is more that he is an idiot.

He didn't check to see what he would need to do to charge the truck at home and work.

This ^^^^^

Plus, he didn't take the EV's limitations into account, knowing he wanted a truck for taking to his cabin or going off-grid camping.

How stupid does one have to be not to be able to figure this out ahead of time?

Oh you two silly geese!
You just plug the EV into a tree, or the lake! Better yet, a small solar panel!
It's environmentally friendly.

Yeah, I'm going with "Idiot" as my final answer

It just tells me if I want a full plug in EV, Tesla is the only game in town with the Supercharger infrastructure that works as advertised while everyone else is still a crapshoot. But going camping in an EV? He's an idiot just like that guy that bought a Chevy Volt when they came out, didn't gas up the car, and it died in the tunnel into New York because it only had a 35 mile EV range.

Ford has a contract in place to be able to use Tesla superchargers starting in 2024.

I will have to buy an adapter so I can plug it in my Mach E.

Think Apple charger vs android charger.

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Originally posted by snwghst:
Saw the article this morning

How does installing a 60A circuit and lvl 2 charger cost $6000

Electrician did mine and all labor, materials and the charger was $700

Dude is an idiot and didn’t do his due diligence and researching

Yea... guys a dummy. Unless he had some super old house that didn't have a big enough breaker for a 60A breaker.

The most incredible thing about this story is that someone so epically stupid actually had the financial wherewithal to spend $130K on this boondoggle.

I'd never take a road trip in anything other than a Tesla honestly. I've read some questionable articles about the Charge America stations. The tesla fast chargers are pretty bullet proof and navigation takes you right to them on the trip. Plans the route along with the battery reserve. I just don't think any one else is there yet.

Plus it doesn't cost a $115 freaking thousand dollars. Forgive me... but that's a retarded amount for a truck.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Gasoline powered vehicle.
Time to fill up - 5 minutes
Cost to fill up - $45


EV
Time to refill charge - 2 Hrs
Cost to charge - $56


Seems like a no brainer to me. Who want's to add 2 hours to their trip just to charge???

Is it really a no brainer though? Lets not omit facts.

For the typical person who should own an EV, charging costs like 11 cents per kwH at home. The largest capacity F150 Lighting would cost less than $15 to fully charge at home. And that would happen overnight, every night, so that you would start fresh with a full capacity every day. The typical person also wouldn't use a full 131kwh a day, just 20-30kwh for most typical commutes.

For the vast vast vast majority of people, for the vast vast vast majority of those people's daily commute, a single daily charge is enough.

So really, a few dollars a day to charge nightly, with zero stops at a public charger but for a handful of times a year, is what most people who ought to own an EV have to contend with.

If your use pattern falls out of this scenario, then yeah, pick something else. But the EV is a fantastic answer to the transportation needs of a ton of people for a ton of their typical driving.

I don't disagree with the above, but it's another reason why the concept of an EV pickup is dumb for people who use them for towing any distance.

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Originally posted by bigwagon:
I don't disagree with the above, but it's another reason why the concept of an EV pickup is dumb for people who use them for towing any distance.

Certainly stupid for towing at distance, road tripping, or even back country camping.

But it's about perfect for a fleet vehicle with lots of around town stops (HVAC repair, pest control, etc.). It's also probably pretty good for about the 80% plus of people around here who daily drive pickup trucks for no obvious truck reasons.