His new video where he answers a few questions...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5zNNk130V0

what's the summary? good, bad, neither?

(sorry, can't watch it for a while)

Sorry, not very informative. He cares and will do better. Cannot build additional factories. PR video

Pretty much boilerplate answers to typical questions.

What he wanted to say: "We're not going to invest millions of dollars to build a new factory because you dumbasses can't stop yourself from panic buying and hoarding"

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Originally posted by radioman:
what's the summary? good, bad, neither?

That depends. He starts off by showing the steps they are taking to protect the health of their workers and then goes on to explain that due to the unexpected demand for hunting ammo i.e., they have produced more hunting ammo in 2020 than they have in the past 99 years combined, which I find hard to believe. As a result, there are no primers on the market because they are all being used to make hunting ammo.

That's basically his video in a nutshell.

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Originally posted by ggile: He starts off by showing the steps they are taking to protect the health of their workers and then goes on to explain that due to the unexpected demand for hunting ammo i.e., they have produced more hunting ammo in 2020 than they have in the past 99 years combined, which I find hard to believe.

It kind of sounded like that the first time, but I think he meant in any prior year, not cumulative.

The Cabela’s salesman told me that CCI is only manufacturing two days a week because they cannot get raw materials. Now I have no idea where he got that information. But I’m just not seeing ammo get stocked anywhere. If this was just buying panic buying then I would expect to see stock show up sometimes and go out the door quickly. I’m not seeing any place get ammo in. It just seems strange to me.

I don’t know about where you live, but every place I know of is getting ammo in. Problem is, it’s gone within minutes because of panic buying. A local gun store got 4200 boxes of Blazer 115 grain. They open at 9 and it was gone by 12 with a “two box per family” limit. Academy’s ammo truck shows up on Tuesday morning. There is always a several hundred yard long line to get in the door when they open on a one box per person limit.

This is why.

I'm seeing what frayedends is seeing. In my area, nobody is getting much of anything in the way of ammo.

The last place I checked for ammo was at Cabela's in Hamburg right before Thanksgiving. They were just empty shelves.

A couple weeks ago I got a re-stock notification from Midway. It was for 338RUM ammo Remington brand. If I recall correctly, I set that notification up over a year ago. Limit was 3 boxes (who else is buying 338RUM?), I bought 2 and went back the next day to see if I can grab 2 more and they were out of stock.

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Originally posted by jljones:
I don’t know about where you live, but every place I know of is getting ammo in. Problem is, it’s gone within minutes because of panic buying. A local gun store got 4200 boxes of Blazer 115 grain. They open at 9 and it was gone by 12 with a “two box per family” limit. Academy’s ammo truck shows up on Tuesday morning. There is always a several hundred yard long line to get in the door when they open on a one box per person limit.

This is why.

In every panic/shortage there are three kinds of buyers:

1) Hoarders/Paniced buyers - those that come too late to the party, or, buy everything everyday regardless of how much they have...

2) Scalpers - Buying up everything, bringing friends, in many cases they have groups via internet that go to every store and have the delivery times down and buy the max to resell at marked up prices. We call them dickheads...

3) The rest of us who'd just like to buy a couple of boxes to replenish what we shoot.

Todays prices are a reflection of massive gun purchasing, hence the need for boolits, and groups of people buying up retail inventory for resale at much higher prices.

My neighbors kid in college has such a group, they watch the internet for trends, buy up products all across the state and sell them on Amazon at inflated prices. Make a killing doing it as well. During the Pandemic they were shipping above ground pools, they would watch stores for inventory, buy it all up, and resell it at big increases, with large restocking fees and buyer paying return fees, the returns were nill. They did it on all kinds of products that were in demand. Its no different with boolits.

As usual, it's a people problem.

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Originally posted by HRK:

My neighbors kid in college has such a group, they watch the internet for trends, buy up products all across the state and sell them on Amazon at inflated prices. Make a killing doing it as well.

So those were the a-holes selling TP by the square on line? I KNEW it!!!!!

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Originally posted by radioman:
what's the summary? good, bad, neither?

(sorry, can't watch it for a while)

Bad news for reloaders. All primer capacity is going to commercial ammo.

I find it humorous that people say stuff like, "why don't you just build a factory".

Sure, lemme just whip one up. Be ready in a few days!

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Originally posted by frayedends:
The Cabela’s salesman told me that CCI is only manufacturing two days a week because they cannot get raw materials.

Wouldn't surprise me, the lefties keep stubbing their toes trying to pass gun-bans and ammo bans. The smarter lefties, with the means & resources, will go after the components further up the supply chain: chemical plants for primers, foundries & mills making the metal, identifying the trucking services to include FedEx/UPS, the banks who provide the loans, etc... Basically apply pressure to the people they know who sit on the boards of these various operations and leverage whatever they have against them.

I can appreciate an executive addressing the public on the current situation, however my understanding is they've not addressed their direct customers: the gun shop owner/buyer. One of my dealers, after Vanderbrink's last video in mid-Dec exclaiming they were fulfilling all their orders, wrote a very pointed letter to him and his sales force up/down the chain about their failure to fulfill orders. As the largest Federal dealer in the region, they were still waiting on orders that were due to ship in Summer & Fall'20 to be shipped complete. IN short, 'somebody' is getting their orders fulfilled and quite possibly able to satisfy re-orders as well. The likely recipients would be your national big-box retailers.

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Originally posted by jljones:
I don’t know about where you live, but every place I know of is getting ammo in. Problem is, it’s gone within minutes because of panic buying. A local gun store got 4200 boxes of Blazer 115 grain. They open at 9 and it was gone by 12 with a “two box per family” limit. Academy’s ammo truck shows up on Tuesday morning. There is always a several hundred yard long line to get in the door when they open on a one box per person limit.

This is why.

Amazingly some people can’t comprehend this. The back stock was wiped out, and the trickle of new supply is gobbled up the second it hits the shelf. He also alluded to the soft gun market years. He should have been more blunt, as apparently there are too many mouth breathers that can’t figure it out. It was only a few years ago that Federal had to put ammo on rebate just to sell it. Many firearm companies went out of business when the market softened. He should have flat out stated how much it would cost to start a new facility, and how many years at median business would take to pay it off.

I wanted to get some CCI CB's in 22 cal for my suppressed Ruger, can't be found anywhere

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Originally posted by Voshterkoff:

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Originally posted by jljones:
I don’t know about where you live, but every place I know of is getting ammo in....

Amazingly some people can’t comprehend this...

Bingo and Bingo.

I have been doing my part to buy rifle ammo whenever it's reasonably priced. Over that past year I've purchased thousands of rounds of Federal 69-grain 223 ammo. Shot a lot of it, too. Nevertheless, my 223 inventory is definitely higher than it was a year ago.

Bought even more of Hornady 223, 6.5CM, and 6CM match ammo. My inventories are higher here, too.

It's a dirty job, but somebody's got to help mess up the market.

This is what? The fourth or fifth panic in the last 15 years? Granted this one is more severe than some, but why the puzzlement from the public every time this happens? Because people don’t seem to ever believe the good times (low prices, availability) will ever end. Then they want to blame somebody else for their lack of preparation.

I feel for those who need ammunition, but it was in recent memory that some police departments were asking the public for duty ammunition due to shortages. Shortages are now a normal event. The next time we have a period like during the Trump years, buy. Don’t blame the manufacturers. It’s not like they don’t want to sell as much as they can.

Vanderbrink is just stating the obvious in the video. He’s not going to bankrupt the company by building capacity just to have the ammunition market tank in two years.