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Originally posted by parabellum:
What intrigues me is what DoctorSolo referred to- the idea of gun forums, which are traditionally overwhelmingly conservative venues, turning their back on the one POTUS in decades who has even come close to representing us, bump stock bullshit be damned.

I'd be interested in hearing stories, without getting too specific about the particular places.

The place I'm thinking of was pretty active, not like ARFcom huge but several frequent, intelligent posters and lively discussions.

When Trump started his first term, a vocal minority of TDS afflicted posters emerged. The 2020 election led to some pretty insufferable commentary there especially. Now the site is much less active than it used to be.

When people are allowed(encouraged?) to say that we are stupid for supporting Trump, it has an impact. It's not fair to the ownership of that site to publicly deride them. It's not their fault for being hands-off, philosophically, they only banned people for talking about anything illegal as far as I know.

The trouble with this speculation and hypothetical is that if you’re the kind of person who would hate Trump, this forum wouldn’t be the kind of place it is even before Trump showed up on the political stage.

It would be out of character for you, Para.

And I think that’s what Trump does: he acts as a litmus test of what people are on the inside. I was skeptical of Trump. Didn’t vote for him in the primary but against Clinton, I had no choice.

But when he started delivering on his promises, that told me he’s the genuine deal.

I can't engage such dimwitted people as the "Trump hater". So, I cannot comment on any other places, but I would not have stayed here if it were polar opposite.

Some would accuse me of "echo chamber" domicile, but I won't live next to a sewer treatment facility either.

Their arguments are either the outright false statements and "facts", or they are the mental fabrications that cannot be remedied.

All of the things that are "true" are things like his tweets, mannerisms, and the like that are typical traits people have that do not change the actual functions and ability to do what is required. All the things we already are aware and willing to accept as distractions.

In other words, Trump is an "ugly car".
Does everything it is supposed to do, but it is not impressive parked next to a beautiful show car that cannot be driven, because it was not built to be driven, only rolled on and off a trailer.

I'll take an ugly car that can get me through life, than hitched to a car I have to spend a great deal of time keeping up with, that only provides me an illusion of "value" because someone looks twice at it and smiles at me.

I could find many things to "not like Trump", but the things he did, and tried to do, far outweigh any petty minded things I could focus on, that gain nothing for me, or anyone else.

Contrast that with the absolute purposeful destruction of this Republic, all it truly stands for and the fallout to the rest of the world.

It is a "drop dead heart attack" serious threat to survival.

No hyperbole.

We wouldn't be having custom watches made.

I'd probably continue to come here and either just not read your posts or put you on the ignore list. Too many other good things happening here to just not come any more.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

In other words, Trump is an "ugly car".

Exactly! But, I think there is a mental illness on the left about "ugly cars".

The people I know who are rabid, hateful, TDS leftists are all deeply damaged. Either I know for a fact they have serious trauma (violent childhood, sex abuse, rape, alcoholic parents, etc), or they clearly display the traits of such. Not every person who experiences terrible things is defective, but many defective personalities are related to such traumas.

These people are triggered by masculine men who speak directly without trying to please everyone.

They are irrational in their reaction to Trump. No facts will ever change their view.

As much as I like this forum, I would have left if this place is being led by an anti-Trump Admin. I have always been a Trump supporter. Always have. Always will.

Someone already mentioned ArfCom. I was a member there few years back. I left even before Trump became President. I left because there are/were some members who like to boss around other members.

Arfcom is an example of a lot of things, mostly what good forums look like when they are run by lazy and crazy people. It's still a good resource, just too big for its britches and the noise floor has grown tall...but that's not the one I was thinking about with my responses, it's just easy and fun to shit on ARFcom.

Good moderation absolutely matters, but I could not tell anyone how exactly to do it. But I know it when I see it.

Be large and in charge. Be fair and aware. Be here and be clear.

I wouldn't likely delete my account, but I certainly would stop visiting the site.

Being right about things like DT and the vaxx is important and makes SF more attractive.

It wasn't always so here, one of my early posts here was about king stampy feet's fake birth certificate, a feeding frenzy attack began, as used to be common here.

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
Same thing that happened to a bunch of other forums.

Woops!

Were there gun forums that tanked for this reason? I seem to recall something about that, vaguely.

not so much Trump, because the decline started long before, but Jouster (Culvers Shooting Page or CSP) was suffering, then a trio of Never Trumpers came along and attempted to argue with damn near everone about damn near everything,

I permabanned the ring leader when I got admin status (would be happy to send you his contact info if you feel you need a troll) and the other 2 stfu afterwards

I think there would have been much fewer member (or at least participants). I'd have still been here. I don't let the opinions of others influence how I will vote. There's plenty of great info here about a lot of items beside politics.

I tend to refrain from commenting in the political threads as what I think about any politician isn't anyone's busines but my own. I think it's the same for others. What they think is their business.

Well, I'd be kinda lost as this is the only gun forum I regularly visit. I used to spend much of my time on Para's old forum, but some of what I see as heavy-handed moderation makes me visit but rarely.

I'm glad this place is as it is.

Bob

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
Exactly! But, I think there is a mental illness on the left about "ugly cars".

The people I know who are rabid, hateful, TDS leftists are all deeply damaged. Either I know for a fact they have serious trauma (violent childhood, sex abuse, rape, alcoholic parents, etc), or they clearly display the traits of such. Not every person who experiences terrible things is defective, but many defective personalities are related to such traumas.

These people are triggered by masculine men who speak directly without trying to please everyone.

They are irrational in their reaction to Trump. No facts will ever change their view.

Can't equate TDS to a single political party, its not about being a Leftist, Liberal, Democrat, isn't mutually exclusive, there are DJT detractors in every walk of political party affiliation and personal life.

As to the Forum and the posts on DJT, if it was managed differently we'd probably see some significant arguments between members over Trump both Pro and Con, the odds favor that the forums population would/does include plenty of DJT detractors, it's just the law of probability.

As it stands, the current handling is a breath of fresh air even if it is a bit of an echo chamber. Imagine everyone understands that, and since those who are anti DJT tend to be rabidly so, not having to deal with them is a pleasant change.

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:
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The people I know who are rabid, hateful, TDS leftists are all deeply damaged.
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Can't equate TDS to a single political party, its not about being a Leftist, Liberal, Democrat, isn't mutually exclusive, there are DJT detractors in every walk of political party affiliation and personal life.

I don't think our statements negate each other. Of course there are Trump detractors in every demographic, but my observation is that the rabid hateful ones with full blown TDS who cannot even listen to a rational conversation without their head exploding, all exhibit signs of trauma induced personality disorders. It is a subset of TDS but I think it is a real component.

These are the "Orange Man Bad!" types who don't know and don't care what any of his policies or actions were. They just hate the man because. To them his evilness is there in every word he says, every breath he takes, because. They are incredulous and then without answer when asked for any examples.

It would have been like TikTok, that's what.

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Originally posted by Fly-Sig:

I don't think our statements negate each other. Of course there are Trump detractors in every demographic, but my observation is that the rabid hateful ones with full blown TDS who cannot even listen to a rational conversation without their head exploding, all exhibit signs of trauma induced personality disorders. It is a subset of TDS but I think it is a real component.

These are the "Orange Man Bad!" types who don't know and don't care what any of his policies or actions were. They just hate the man because. To them his evilness is there in every word he says, every breath he takes, because. They are incredulous and then without answer when asked for any examples.

Agreed, wasn't trying to negate your comment as I agree with it, only wanted to add that we need to be fully aware that while all libturd left wing socialist palestine protesting purple haired freaks have TDS, all those with TDS are not leftist loonies, they are just a part of the whole anti MAGA population.

Just because someone is registered R or I and not D doesn't mean they are on board with DJT, in fact they might just be working hard behind the scenes with donations to other campaigns, hell my brother gave money to Krispy Kremes campaign, on that I had to ask him WTF just take your cash down to a center for battered women so something good comes of it...