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The Six Nooses: How Interventionism Is Strangling the Family’s Will to Reproduce

• Felix Yang

The total fertility rate needed to sustain a population is 2.1. Averaged over 2020–2024, South Korea’s stands at 0.78, Taiwan’s at 0.89, and Hong Kong’s at 0.79. Mainstream demography still treats these as cultural anomalies, when they are in fact the terminal readings of a century-long experiment in administrative intervention.

The standard explanation blames housing costs, changing values, or the burden of raising children in a modern economy. Examined through the lens of praxeology—the deductive logic of human action—that explanation gets the causation backward.

Childbearing is, at bottom, a long-horizon investment: a rational actor accepts a low time preference, sinking two decades of capital and labor into a payoff that only matures across generations. That calculation depends entirely on a stable institutional environment in which the link between sacrifice and reward holds. Modern interventionism, the self-reinforcing pattern Mises identified in which each intervention’s side effects become the pretext for the next, has severed that link through six distinct mechanisms.

The first is fiat-currency inflation. Since the Federal Reserve’s founding in 1913, the dollar has lost more than 96 percent of its purchasing power. Money’s evolved function as a store of value across time has been replaced by a bureaucratic IOU that depreciates by design. A family cannot rationally sink twenty years of capital into a child when the currency in which that capital is denominated is being quietly devalued year over year.

The second is the socialization of old-age support. Pay-as-you-go pension systems are, by their own actuarial logic, generational Ponzi schemes: they accumulate no real assets and depend entirely on new entrants to pay existing claims. The US Social Security Trustees project the OASI trust fund will exhaust its reserves by 2033, at which point benefits fall automatically to 77 percent of what has been promised. Once old age depends on the political solvency of a pooled fund rather than on the number or quality of children a person raises, raising children loses its economic rationale as an intergenerational contract.

The third is medical monopoly. Administrative licensing and price controls replace price rationing in healthcare with queue rationing; the scarcity remains, only relabeled. In Canada, the median wait from referral to specialist treatment now exceeds thirty weeks, the longest in the Fraser Institute’s thirty-three years of tracking; an estimated 24,000 Canadians died last year while still waiting for treatment they were promised for free. When survival itself becomes a bureaucratic waiting list, family planning becomes an act of faith rather than calculation.

The fourth is the nationalization of education. Before compulsory public schooling, private and community-funded education had already brought English literacy to roughly 85 to 90 percent in Britain and the United States. Compulsory schooling was not introduced to fix a market failure; Prussia’s own architects of the system said openly that its purpose was to discipline the individual will to the needs of the state.

Modern public education systems—lacking any price mechanism or profit-and-loss discipline—level toward mediocrity, forcing families into a second, private tuition market simply to buy back their children’s competitiveness. Demographer John Caldwell’s Wealth Flows Theory shows that fertility collapses precisely when the direction of intergenerational wealth reverses, from children supporting parents to parents indefinitely subsidizing children, a reversal driven above all by the spread of compulsory schooling.

The fifth is the stripping of housing sovereignty. Zoning and land-use regulation manufacture artificial scarcity, transferring wealth from young families to entrenched incumbents under the banner of protecting communities from externalities. A natural experiment between two American cities makes the point starkly. Houston has rejected zoning by popular referendum three times—in 1948, 1962, and 1993; its price-to-monthly-rent ratio (PM/R, sale price divided by monthly rent) sits near 108, and its total fertility rate holds at 1.98. San Francisco—fully regulated under the California Environmental Quality Act—has a PM/R above 360 and a fertility rate of 1.49. Even Houston’s relatively favorable outcome still falls short of replacement, because housing freedom alone cannot offset the other five nooses operating at the federal level.

The sixth is administrative relief. When government nationalizes a function that was once a community mutual-aid contract grounded in local knowledge, it does not eliminate poverty; it manufactures a self-perpetuating administrative class with every incentive to manage poverty rather than end it, along with well-documented adverse selection. In the United States, the extension of welfare benefits conditioned on remaining unmarried is directly implicated. In Thomas Sowell’s research, the rise of single-parent households among black Americans increased from roughly 22 to 67 percent between 1960 and 1985.

These six mechanisms compound each other rather than operating in isolation, closing a systemic trap across four dimensions of family sovereignty: the financial, the physical, the temporal, and the spiritual. Rome ran the same experiment two thousand years ago.

Bread-and-circuses welfare, currency debasement from a near-pure silver denarius to a five-percent-silver disc, and the administrative capture of the yeoman farmer class produced, over four centuries, the same terminal outcome: infant abandonment recorded in the papyrus record of Roman Egypt, and a city of a million reduced to roughly 100,000 residents by the sixth century.

The conclusion is not a call for better-designed subsidies. Every subsidy is simply a further extension of the same interventionist logic that caused the collapse in the first place. Each of the six nooses was, in its own time, sold to families as a trade: surrender this piece of sovereignty, and the state will guarantee that safety in return.

Benjamin Franklin’s words—later carried into Hayek’s The Road to Serfdom—exposed exactly where that trade always ends: those who would give up liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. The family bore that trade six times over and has a falling fertility rate to show for it—the safety was never delivered, and the liberty is gone.

The only path back is the restoration of private property and the family’s own sovereignty over its financial, physical, and intergenerational decisions.

https://mises.org/mises-wire/s...milys-will-reproduce



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
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7th breakdown of men wanting to have a family. Because of nasty entitled women!
 
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Also a factor is the declining testosterone levels.


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What’s in it for men? If she decides she wants a divorce she can ruin her ex husband and take his children and the State will enforce it all based on her will and whim. If I were young today, I would avoid that whole scenario. It’s become so unfair and toxic.



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Also a factor is the declining testosterone levels.

Yes, that’s clearly a factor. That’s the only thing I had thought of when I wondered why the West isn’t reproducing.
But what about the Muslims? Aren’t they subject to the same environmental concerns?
Surely, there must be economic and cultural factors, which I think this article points out.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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At one time having children was a vital economic factor for most people, and especially as they aged and needed more assistance in later life.
The benefits of modern living have largely eliminated that need in developed countries, at least for people who don’t need children to increase the size of their direct welfare payments.

Plus there are many reasons why having children is not only unnecessary, but an actual burden.

For Muslims, it’s a religious imperative to have many children. That used to be true of some other religions for various reasons, but that’s evidently much less true now. How many professed Catholics use artificial birth (conception) control?




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Here's a map

https://data.worldbank.org/ind...d&view=map&year=2024


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For Muslims, it’s a religious imperative to have many children. That used to be true of some other religions for various reasons, but that’s evidently much less true now. How many professed Catholics use artificial birth (conception) control?

As a Catholic, I’m embarrassed to say that my wife and I used birth control for several of our fertile years. Still, we have 3 children. More than 2.1 replacement.



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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All of those factors may be contributors to the phenomenon, and it’s always satisfying to blame “them” for “our” ills, but it’s easy to gloss over the fact that people have personal choices regardless of societal changes.

Over 60 years ago, and before at least some of those factors had become influences on family size, my mother read a magazine article bemoaning the fact that “smart” people were having fewer children, and as a consequence fewer smart children were being born. I’m not sure why she mentioned it to me other than the fact that she was well-read and discussed a lot of what she read with me. And smart or not, I was one who decided early on that it was no children for me.

Two other significant factors affect population growth as well. At one time having lots of sex meant having lots of children—wanted or not. One woman my mother’s age (born 1920s) whom I knew had four miscarriages in addition to four live births. Earlier it was even worse because there was a high likelihood that children who were born would die in childhood due to the lack of vaccines and other effective medical care. I’m probably alive today because penicillin had been made readily available not that long before, and which was still considered by many people of my parents’ age as “the wonder drug” because it and other antibiotics had such a profound effect on medicine during their lifetimes.

And then almost overnight something else was different: lots of sex no longer meant lots of unwanted children. Conception control and legal abortions changed everything because they gave people choices that were largely unknown before. As I say, having children—especially several—can be a significant burden, and it’s not surprising that people who want to limit the size of their families will do that.




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How about I never had children because I was afraid I couldn't provide for them.
It was the 90s and I never knew if I'd have a job.
Even though I had a marketable skill, the market was volatile and skilled labor/tech was going overseas.

They would anyone want to bring a child into whats coming now?

Besides, if you look at the birthrate of the invaders, they have a higher rate.
And your children will have to compete with them for jobs and homes.





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Good read.
I am one of those that didn’t have children ( primarily due to health issues my wife had and still feels the effects of today)

Dovetailing into this is another huge factor that greatly influences so many aspects of modern life, the inability to accept self sacrifice or discomfort. There are lots of things in life that are hard / require sacrifices- financial responsibility/ not carrying excessive debt,raising children,military service, serving/ supporting your community through work or volunteerism.
Modern generations displaying a whole lot of me me me beliefs and behavior
 
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Having children is a lot of responsibility and hard work. The financial aspect alone is a lot but it can be done.

My wife and I were only able to have 1 child who is 36 now. We help other families at church with their children since we know how difficult it is.

I tell the men at church to make sure they still have time alone with their wives for date nights, We watch their children so they can do that. I do all I can to encourage them having children. In my church of about 150 people (with about 1/3 of those being children) we have five ladies pregnant right now. I have been going to this church for several years and there has not been a time when someone in the congregation was not pregnant. We are probably not the norm.
 
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My wife and I chose to have four kids because growing up my best friend came from a family of FIVE boys. My wife also knew this family so we got to see the chaos, fun and excitement a big family provides. While dating we discussed and agreed on having 4-5 kids at least if we ever got married.

It is not easy but I have zero regrets. I know very few people in my circle of friends who have more than two kids. Many don’t have any kids at all. “The way things are going how could we afford to have kids?” Is something I hear often.


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Let me remind you all.


The continuation of the species is the single most important thing human beings can do.

Anyone telling you any different is coping or anti-life.


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Originally posted by FenderBender:
Here's a map
https://data.worldbank.org/ind...d&view=map&year=2024

Interesting...

Places like Central Africa Republic, Chad, and Congo have a fertility rate of 6.0
Sub-Saharan Africa does not have the farming or the economy to feed that many people, which is why so many flee Africa.
Is the West, which is not reproducing, going to continue to allow mass migration of uneducated hordes, overwhelming generous social welfare programs?



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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Is the West, which is not reproducing, going to continue to allow mass migration of uneducated hordes, overwhelming generous social welfare programs?
No matter how much/little we are willing to shell out, they will still come, not the least because here they can be free and have the opportunity to improve their lives.

I am not sure that immigration is really all that bad of a thing. Many immigrants are harder workers and more moral than many of our native citizens (I was in downtown DC yesterday, man!). However, it should still come with mandatory costs to the immigrant rather than handouts. Of course there should be managed rates of entry as well, perhaps with educational or resource qualification.
 
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I’ll agree with those that say immigration isn’t necessarily a bad thing but we must DEMAND the caveat that actual immigrants for life assimilate to our country and its ideals. Unfortunately, there are many who do not and have no intention of “becoming Americans”. Throw in the sheer number of garbage people trucked in by the Biden administration that are no better than fleas and ticks parasitizing our society while shitting out their like minded spawn as anchors and you get a recipe for disaster over a span of decades/generations. We have far too many home grown parasites as it is.




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I came of age at the inception -- feminism, birth control and abortion. The conventional wisdom? Progress.




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I guess my youngest is in the group tasked with making up for the rest. She's expecting her 5th in 8 years this month, no multiple births. I should have named her Xerox.
 
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